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Are we creaking?

Started by Plum12 REPLIES41 VIEWS· 30 Aug 2026, 21:17
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Plum
PlumCaptain21,792 posts
30 Aug 2026, 21:17
#1
30 Aug 2026, 21:17#1

I remember about six'ish years back. The ABs and Boks had just finished a match and people were discussing it, as always.

Specifically, I remember myself saying that it felt like the ABs were creaking. It turns out that post was relatively accurate because since then they have been on a slowish downward trajectory. I'm not saying that they suddenly turned into a bad team or started losing every other game. More that they began losing games that they would previously have won without too much trouble. Since then, they lost a series to Ireland in NZ, the Argies beat them a few times, the Boks have had more success against them too.

The Boks have now experienced a similar, if not as dominant, period as the ABs had with Hansen. The questions is, are the Boks creaking?

I think the big difference with that AB side and the current Boks is that replacements for the AB greats weren't necessarily forthcoming and obvious. For the Boks, unless I'm totally misjudging the picture, it really does appear as though there are sufficient and perhaps better replacements in some positions. I was previously concerned about our front row when Malherbe, Kitshoff and Koch left but they were replaced and the pack appears to have gotten even stronger. And as you look through the list of guys that are on their way out, there aren't really too many alarm bells ringing in terms of where to find replacements. As mentioned on another thread, we won't ever find like for like replacements for Cheslin or Eben, and that's just how it is, but there are much more than two players in a squad and for most of the oldies there are very worthy replacements.

The guy that will be the most difficult to replace, in my view anyway, is going to be Marx. Not that he's necessarily a better player than Kolbe or Eben, but he is in the mix and gets his hands on the ball much more than they do, and his impact on games in massive. How crucial were those steals of his yesterday? How about that tackle to end the half?

So, i do wonder, looking from the outside, as i looked from the outside at the ABs, is there a feeling that the Boks might be creaking?

I guess one just never knows until the oldies are actually gone. We can look at individual performances, but trying to divine synergy when you are not literally inside the team is almost impossible.

What do you guys think, how is are the next five years looking?

Dave, try to put together a squad of about 45 players for the 2031 WC, let's see where we are.

Rooinek
Captain18,683 posts
Rooinek30 Aug 2026, 20:50

@Plum There's some oke playing schools rugby somewhere who none of us have ever heard of who will be better than Marx one day.

We produce so many talented youngsters and we get to pick the best of them before the rest go play for foreign clubs. Only New Zealand have anything even resembling our production line and they have a much smaller population than we do.

The only thing creaking is our conveyer belt of talent under the weight of all the youngsters we'll be raving about in a few years time.

bobbok
Captain10,473 posts
bobbok30 Aug 2026, 21:07

@Rooinek ... having Marx sitting on the bench for 40 min is daft

DbDraad
DbDraadCaptain26,866 posts
30 Aug 2026, 21:29
#2
30 Aug 2026, 21:29#2

We were undercooked and lost 1 match vs the no 2 side who've had a string of proper warm up matches...why do you insist on looking for weaknesses? Replacing a great team is a gradual process and Rassie has been looking out for and grooming the replacements for a long time...I don't get the constant demand for instant renewal while we've been winning most of our big matches.

Mozart
Coach50,386 posts
Mozart31 Aug 2026, 00:59

@bobbok just checking to see if you’re paying attention

DbDraad
Captain26,866 posts
DbDraad31 Aug 2026, 01:17

@Mozart ...below par? They just recently trashed Ireland...and they beat us fair and square...is it your argument that everyone is below par?... kind of ignores the meaning of par...and I'm not even a golfer.

DE
DennyCaptain13,109 posts
30 Aug 2026, 23:22
#3
30 Aug 2026, 23:22#3

The ABs enjoyed a relatively easy three-game warm-up while the Boks stayed idle, and no team can simply switch on at will—training and practice are nothing like the intensity of an actual game under real conditions. Rust or a lack of game time sealed the Boks’ fate in the first test.

DbDraad
Captain26,866 posts
DbDraad31 Aug 2026, 01:18

praat jy!...

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