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Du Toit …..what the numbers reveal

Started by Mozart14 REPLIES76 VIEWS· 16 Sept 2026, 17:52
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Mozart
MozartCoach50,541 posts
16 Sept 2026, 17:52
#1
16 Sept 2026, 17:52#1

Dud Toit has been described as our best 7 ever. Contentious but he certainly is the most popular Bok worldwide…..an iron fist in a velvet glove is the image. He started as a lock, looks like a lock….but does he play like a lock? Here are the numbers that suggest as his body ages his contributions have shifted towards lock duties.

For several years he has been our most prolific ball carrier. Not in the AB series, Wiese who is much more effective is the man providing momentum. Dud carried 27 times in the series….lost the ball twice and beat 2 defenders. He managed one line break in the 3rd fixture…..which pushed his metres per run up to 3…..otherwise his typical run is two meters with no offload. He managed zero offloads in the series.

As a ball carrier this isn’t much different to his usual work. What is interesting is his carries dropped from 17 in the first two tests, to 10 in the second two.

Defensively we can see a significant drop off. He made 62 tackles but missed 15. Still a high tackling rate, but short of his work in big series in the past……and tackling at 80% is below the team average. This has been his main contribution in the past, now apparently in decline in quantity and quality.

Interestingly though, his lineout work has picked up , with 7 lineouts secured in the series. If Wiese or Hanekom are going to do the ball carrying, if offloading or turnovers (he managed 1 in the series) aren’t really his thing, if tackling security is dropping off….switching to lineout contributions seems to be the plan going forward.

Overall the statistical picture is fairly typical of Dud’s past contributions but with some subtle shifts. It’s going to be interesting to see if he can stabilize his tackling at current levels, which already looked a bit precarious in the AB series, Definitely one of the Boks whose role in the 27 WC is unclear. Perhaps a bench role covering lock and flank might emerge.

CL
Coach57,837 posts
clevermike16 Sept 2026, 21:33

Mostert you missed the plot again as expected, There are two things that are applicable in the case of Du Toit, The first one is that iro present rugby the modern teams prefer to have 3 Line out jumpers and where possible use the blindside flanks as a line out jumper.

Insofar as tackling in traffic all forwards made a positive contribution. In open field tackles we never had any other loosie at 7 that could do it, This is where the problem is with Du Toit, this year, He was injured in January and against your wishes returned to play after a six month absence. a longer distance than backline defenders and in a few cases this year, In the case of Du Toit he is just a bit slower than he used to be - but faster than any of the other loosies bar Paul de Villiers, Open field tackles by a forward is always difficult and very few players are even remotely capable of making such tackles, - a player like Mostert tried and was dropped by Meyer from the team in 2019 when two backline players ran straight through him and he never really made open field tackles. Mostert and he was dropped from the frontline team,

Mozart
Coach50,541 posts
Mozart17 Sept 2026, 01:15

@clevermike Actually speed wasn’t the issue in the tackling numbers. If he never had the pace to reach the man with the ball that would not have been recorded as a missed tackle. Where he actually was in position to attempt the tackle and missed….that would be recorded. His issue appeared to be upper body strength which he’ll possibly regain. But there is an issue with pace as we saw several times, even if not recorded…..one of the things the stats still miss…..and pace doesn’t come back when it’s age related. The man has come back from so many injuries, it would be surprising if there were no effects.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,414 posts
16 Sept 2026, 18:15
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16 Sept 2026, 18:15#2

It may be time for Du Toit to move to lock. Bulk up to close to 120 kg.
What a contribution he and Nortje would make. Terrific work rates.
But relax Mozzie Rassie will in all likelihood make the switch when the timing is right.

Mozart
Coach50,541 posts
Mozart16 Sept 2026, 19:38

@Beeno1 ….if you can’t respond, best don’t respond

SA
Captain30,932 posts
Saffolk 16 Sept 2026, 20:32

@Beeno1 nope he is easily 120kg or more these days. Is far more muscular than he used to be

“Du Toit clearly has a heart as big as his two-metre and 120kg frame.”

My grandfather was a Springbok, and as far back as I can remember, I always wanted to become a Springbok,” the 2m, 120kg forward said, “When I started watching rugby... and the Springboks...the badge, and everything in the badge, was something I wanted to become.”

Mozart
MozartCoach50,541 posts
16 Sept 2026, 19:04
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16 Sept 2026, 19:04#3

Actually Nortje’s numbers aren’t that great either. Clearly not a ball carrier averaging about 2.5 metres a run, with no clean breaks and defenders beaten. He did pass a lot more than Dud Toit…18 times to 12. So he didn’t die with the ball as much.

His defensive work was better 44 tackles vs Dud Toit at 62…..but he tackled at 88% vs Dud’s 80%. Gone are the days when Mostert would regularly make over 20 tackles with a success rate in the high 90s.

Nortje’s calling card was at the lineouts where he made 16 lineout takes in the series and was secure at number 5. Still he was hardly dominant at 5, the way Etzebeth was at the front.

Overall I would say Nortje has benefitted from a fair amount of hype. Hopefully for the WC we will finally see Snyman and Etzebeth…..the world’s two dominant locks together. Nortje is solid but he won’t be decisively winning many battles with the world’s top locks.

Comparing Nortje and Dud …..they were both flaccid ball carriers. If anything Dud was better. On defense Nortje was more reliable but not prolific. Their lineout stats probably just reflect their different roles. They are very similar players, both suited to 5 lock. If one had to choose I would pick Dud who is a bit more pro active and certainly more intimidating given his press

DbDraad
DbDraadCaptain26,974 posts
17 Sept 2026, 01:35
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17 Sept 2026, 01:35#4

The numbers don't paint the complete picture... there's no measurement gauge for context.

DbDraad
Captain26,974 posts
DbDraad17 Sept 2026, 03:46

@Plum ...when we lose in the stats we still win the match...I don't have to provide the context, I've already shown that the stats doesn't necessarily translate into results...

Plum
Captain22,065 posts
Plum17 Sept 2026, 07:13

@DbDraad see what I mean?

Totally hiding behind the abstract nature of your statement.

DbDraad
DbDraadCaptain26,974 posts
17 Sept 2026, 05:55
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17 Sept 2026, 05:55#5

You guys use the the stats to argue that we should have lost or did not deserved the win in some instances... whatever for only you will know...somehow you choose to trivialize the most important stat of all...points on the board...remind me again of your prediction for the RGR series...and how you got to make that prediction and how it turned out to be wrong...same for last year... what's the stat you use to measure gees?...you guys use stats to point out our weaknesses, but yet Rassie keeps on proving you wrong...winning ugly is still better than losing in style... somehow Rassie and his dud filled team keep on proving you wrong... that's the context....

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