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Rassie x (Roos/Gameplan) x complaints = hypocrisy

Started by Plum17 REPLIES136 VIEWS· 24 Jul 2026, 08:38
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Plum
PlumCaptain21,324 posts
24 Jul 2026, 08:38
#1
24 Jul 2026, 08:38#1

There have been grave remonstrations regarding Rassie's snubbing of Roos.

If we take this board and divide its posters into those that believe in faith in Rassie at all costs and those who believe the Boks could be playing a better brand of rugby, then it's pretty easy to divide posters up into one of those categories. Not everybody fits in one of those boxes perfectly, but it's close enough.

What I have noticed, and what is quite interesting, is that those of us who wish we could play a more expansive game, or at least spread the ball when we have glaring overlaps, seem to be okay with Rassie leaving Roos out. Strange, right? I mean, we're the ones wanting a more expansive game and yet we seem to understand the exclusion of Roos who is naturally a more expansive 8.

On the other hand, the "Rassie at all costs" crowd, almost to man, appear pretty peeved that Rassie has left Roos out. So it seems they buy into Rassie, but not entirely into his gameplan because Roos and Wiese are chalk and cheese. Everything about Wiese is crucial to how the Boks want to play out Rassie's imaginings. Roos, not so much. Yet they bay for the inclusion of Roos as though he could do what Wiese does...when we 100% know that he cannot.

Us expansive lobbyists understand and approve of Wiese's incumbency. In fact, and I'm not sure I speak for everyone of us expansionists but, as it stands and with our current mode of victory, I would rather see van Staden at 8 if Wiese goes down than anybody else. Like for like.

Weirdly, all of us like Roos. I personally commented on numerous match threads that it was almost impossible to not support a guy that has so much fight in him and can be seen running off the shoulder of his winger in the final minute of a game. The biggest complaint most of us have is that he tends to lose the ball in contact a little too often and, my personal frustration, is that I feel he's not picking his battles smartly enough. But that's about it. Everybody pretty much likes him with some, of course, liking him way more.

So the question I have for the Rassie at all costs crowd is this;

Do you believe in Rassie at all costs or don't you?

Us expansionists, while wishing for more, appear to have bought into Rassie more than you guys have.

Strange world, huh?

Mozart
Coach50,051 posts
Mozart24 Jul 2026, 14:53

Interesting post. Eight years ago I was preaching the return to traditional forward led rugby as a necessary first step to Bok success. By that I meant physical domination, in scrums, rucks and lineouts. I also preached best in class defense. These two elements set the Boks apart from any other team in rugby.

Rassie executed those two changes perfectly, match that up with a kicker who can land kicks in the biggest matches and you have a team that has an edge in WC knockouts. Throw in a bit of luck and you have the makings of a myth.

But there are two flies in the ointment. The strategy is player dependent. Lose Etzebeth and Os and we may still dominate but not as much. The second fly is the rugby world acknowledges our success, but reluctantly. Ask AI what the best team of all time is and the ABs still top the list. Fans in other countries simply don’t admire our rugby. Nor should we, it could be so much better. We are like an 8 cylinder engine running on 6 cylinders.

So back to what Rassie has done. He has fixed the basics, the core of Bok rugby and in Kolbe and Arendse he committed to brilliant small players other coaches might have ignored. But he hasn’t progressed beyond that. And given how close the last WC was that seems risky. Other teams are trying to improve, notably France and the ABs.

Brown ball has been a huge disappointment. Except in games that don’t count we are playing exactly the same rugby we played in 2019. In fact the backline play in the 2019 WC final is probably the most sophisticated we have played in a big game.

Which in a long winded way brings us back to Roos. I can understand the desire for a big power number eight. And more and more teams are trending towards lock types as blindsiders. That leaves open side flank or number 6 in Bok parlance. Which means Roos competes with PdV. That’s a brains vs brawn competition. Roos is faster, stronger, bigger….PdV is way smarter and has found a way to make a contribution in tests, something Roos still hasn’t done.

But our game plan of tight play, few wide ball contests, limited structured play out wide, favors PdV. Roos could be brilliant taking the last offload from a wing or center. Or if Dud Toit is switched to a lock role and it’s Roos waiting for those wide balls, it could be very exciting. But until that happens PdV has an advantage. Oddly enough a different game plan opens up both 8th man and number 6 for Roos, but runs diametrically opposite to what Rassie believes. Roos is in a hard place.

Plum
Captain21,324 posts
Plum24 Jul 2026, 15:25

great post, Moz!

DbDraad
DbDraadCaptain26,620 posts
24 Jul 2026, 15:20
#2
24 Jul 2026, 15:20#2

"So the question I have for the Rassie at all costs crowd is this;"

It's in you're head....his most staunch supporters don't agree with everything he does and it's been well documented...

Plum
Captain21,324 posts
Plum24 Jul 2026, 15:34

I don't think you get the point I'm making, ou Draad!

TLDR: If you actually want Roos at 8 then you are advocating for a massive change in how the Boks should be playing and that brings into question how much faith you have in Rassie's tactics.

DbDraad
Captain26,620 posts
DbDraad24 Jul 2026, 19:02

@Plum I get your point, I'm not stupid, I can read...I just don't share your logic...like everybody else, Rassie is not flawless, but overall, he's the best coach and director of rugby we've ever had... regardless of his few blind spots...and most of his supporters on this board echo my sentiments...and you know this, because you can read ...and you're not stupid, so you are trolling. 😁🍻

Plum
Captain21,324 posts
Plum25 Jul 2026, 05:38

@DbDraad Draad, you are actually still missing the point.

The current game plan does not leave space for Roos.

That's why he hasn't been getting selected.

So do you want Roos or do you want the current game plan?

DbDraad
DbDraadCaptain26,620 posts
24 Jul 2026, 15:22
#3
24 Jul 2026, 15:22#3

"Us expansionists, while wishing for more, appear to have bought into Rassie more than you guys have.

Strange world, huh?"

Fuck Plum, you've got a lot of time for trolling...boring Friday?

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,261 posts
24 Jul 2026, 23:03
#4
24 Jul 2026, 23:03#4

Roos has not played well for the Boks, but maybe he has not been given enough chances. He has not played badly, but his contribution varies from moderate to low.

Kwagga had a very bad start to test rugby, but Rassie gave him more chances, and he got better.
However, that said - I dont think that Roos is going to solve problems with the backline.

South African Rugby has many strengths, but if there is any weakness, it is the passing of the backline players. We see this in our regional teams and for the Boks.

Libbok is probably the best passer and playmaker in open space. Sasha is also very effective here, but he offers a lot more as a runner.

Then we have Duh-lande, who can only pass one way - and short passes at that. Jessica Kriel is also not a natural passer.

DbDraad
DbDraadCaptain26,620 posts
25 Jul 2026, 00:13
#5
25 Jul 2026, 00:13#5

Snark, I'm a huge Roos fan, but I agree that he hasn't been really good in the Bok jumper ... he's been more than good enough to deserves a proper look though ..and that he hasn't...

BE
Beeno1Captain40,080 posts
25 Jul 2026, 09:54
#6
25 Jul 2026, 09:54#6

Poor Plumster, who showed a lot of promise as a poster, has been negatively impacted by his association with Dud Mozzietard.
"If we take this board and divide its posters into those that believe in faith in Rassie at all costs and those who believe the Boks could be playing a better brand of rugby, then it's pretty easy to divide posters up into one of those categories. Not everybody fits in one of those boxes"
No Plumpster the framing of your question is absurd. Faith in Rassie at all costs! No faith in Rassie based on superlative results over many years! Further his opponents on this board have had their very long snouts severely put out of joint time and again. Bwahahahaha.
Those who believe the Boks could be playing a better brand of rugby! Bwahahahahaha ALL teams could always improve their brand of rugby. Rugby is not a static game, it's always evolving. Somehow those supporting Rassie don't want the Boks to improve! What we love about Rassie is how he has improved eberything about the Boks.
I might disagree with Rassie on a selection but have the humility to realize he is more likely to. be right than me or indeed any other arm chair critique on this board. Are you seriously suggesting you know more about Rugby and coaching than Rassie! The arrogance is breath taking. Show some Respect to a man who has earned it.
By all means express your own thoughts as absurd as they can be but know your own obvious limitations. Hahahahaha it's hilarious to see these buffoons going on and on insisting always that they know better.
You Rassie bashes are a hilarious joke and you don't even know it.
Ven real use it.
Crumbs what a daft post. I only hope at some point Plumpster returns to his senses.
Face it the continuous criticism of Rassie and the Boks by these halfwits has backfired in the most spectacular way possible. It couldn't be worse for these dopes.
Now their only hope is that Rassie starts losing. They could at some point have their moment in the sun as historically no side has ever stayed on top. It's a day they long for.
With their ignorance and bias fully exposed it can't come soon enough for these fakes.
Hahahahahaha.

Plum
Captain21,324 posts
Plum25 Jul 2026, 09:57

Beeno, perhaps you need to read it all again...maybe twice.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,080 posts
25 Jul 2026, 10:58
#7
25 Jul 2026, 10:58#7

Nope Plumpster. I got ya all figured out.
You could edit your post but I guess the damage is done. Hahahaha.
Read my post carefully a dozen times but don't ask Dud Mozzie to explain it to you!

DbDraad
Captain26,620 posts
DbDraad26 Jul 2026, 02:19

You make a few incorrect assumptions...

Plum
Captain21,324 posts
Plum26 Jul 2026, 20:41

@DbDraad those being?

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