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Roos might as well

Started by Saffolk 25 REPLIES189 VIEWS· 22 Jul 2026, 13:37
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SA
Saffolk Captain30,785 posts
22 Jul 2026, 13:37
#1
22 Jul 2026, 13:37#1

Leave SA and go qualify to play for another country as fucking Rassie has yet again snubbed him. Shit I feel for the lad. Rassie’s anti Roos is pathetic

I feel for Papier as well, snubbed after a good performance against the Scots in favour of 36 year old Reinach - what is the bloody point?

Ruben v Heerden on standby? WTF is Mostert still doing in the squad ahead of him.

Some players just have a free pass while others regardless of what they don’t just can’t seem to penetrate the selection wall.

Moyo given a free pass again, while Reinach and Mostert continue to ride the wave

Piss poor calls

BE
Pro4,406 posts
becs22 Jul 2026, 21:43

As long as he doesn’t come here…..😉

Plum
PlumCaptain21,324 posts
22 Jul 2026, 13:59
#2
22 Jul 2026, 13:59#2

Cameron and Divvy are there though.

Roos might be there there too if played smarter rugby instead of attempting to convince us all that he's our next hulk. YOU ARE NOT THAT GUY! GET IT THROUGH YOUR SKULL!

Still, i feel for Roos because he really does have the makings of a world class hybrid player. As much as you don't like to hear it, Dave, Roos does have the skillset and athleticism to do a job in the backline as well as play upfront. For that reason alone i would have thought Rassie would include him. Once AE goes, who else do have that is suited to the hybrid role?

As for Moyo, it seems he got quite a few negative reports here after the weekend but i thought he did quite well considering he's barely been a professional for a year. Also, and while very abstract, watching the game on the weekend, when he was taking one of his kicks at the posts, the nickname "Policeman" popped into my head. I have no idea why. From now on, that's my name for him..."Policieman". I like him and i think he has a big future ahead of him. Honestly, I'm glad he's being included.

CL
Coach57,661 posts
clevermike23 Jul 2026, 06:10

#Plum

I do believe people has a right to their own opinion. I watched the Wales match and the Under 20 Match as well as the Springbok "A" team match,

When it comes to Moyo I saw nothing that indicates he is a decent pivot that uses the backline effectively. He is a Morne Steyn clone except his goal kicking slipped as well. For the rest his out-of-hand kicking was aimless and could not be regarded as a means to put opponents under pressure, The impression I gained was confirmed by the fact that he is a flyhalf with serious question marks,.

If you talk about a thinking flyhalf look no further than Jaquen Ahmed - he is a natural and a precise goal-kicker,.

I hate to make this comment - but Erasmus is running short of Black players and picked him as one of the few in question. That is probably why he discarded Roos as well,

SA
Saffolk Captain30,785 posts
22 Jul 2026, 14:46
#3
22 Jul 2026, 14:46#3

Disagree that he is trying to play like a hard man. He plays it narrow and wide for the Stormers and is probably under instruction to play it narrow for the Boks which is sad considering he would lend himself perfectly to playing Brown ball

Moyo is at best solid, he offers very little on attack, does the basics well - is that really what we need?

Considering how good Yaqeen Ahmed has been for the Baby Boks it makes absolutely no sense that Moyo is the one playing test rugby. Foote the Baby Bok coach knew this - he started the impressive Ahmed with Moyo on the bench and rightly so - it was literally not even close

Plum
Captain21,324 posts
Plum23 Jul 2026, 07:48

@DbDraad I know, Draad. I am mega biased against Dobson. Not even being sarcastic, I fully recognise my bias.

But that interview he gave after they dropped out of the URC was the nail in the coffin for me. Someone else here said he has run his race and I agree with that.

If you want to talk about no namers and a coach that has built something, Ivan at the Lions is the guy you should be talking about. They were screwed over by injuries but up until the later rounds of the URC they were playing the best rugby in SA...with a team of actual nobodies.

How have the Stormers progressed under Dobson over the last 4 years?

DbDraad
Captain26,620 posts
DbDraad23 Jul 2026, 17:00

@Plum ...yes, Van Rooyen at the Lions is doing an excellent job too.

KI
kingcornPro3,731 posts
22 Jul 2026, 15:38
#4
22 Jul 2026, 15:38#4

I have to agree that Rassie missed a trick by leaving out the most attacking players of the URC for aging or out of form players. Rassie hasn't evolved, continues with one dimensional running around the corner and don't want players that can break the line.

However, did you notice how few blacks are in the team. Coloured players are almost not even considered.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,785 posts
22 Jul 2026, 20:18
#5
22 Jul 2026, 20:18#5

Poor lad needs to leave SA and go qualify to play for another country where his skills will be appreciated

Rassie is a twat with his treatment of such a good player

If he ever gave him the opportunity and gave him a run of 5 consecutive tests he would soon realise his value

Same treatment was dished out on the du Preez twins which is strange in itself as they are very much in the Wiese mould

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,261 posts
22 Jul 2026, 22:04
#6
22 Jul 2026, 22:04#6

Even Doos is not consistent enough. It could be a mental or coaching thing. He has the potential in body, but not everything is clicking. He seems to struggle to follow a game plan, and his role in this.

Xavi
XaviPro1,951 posts
23 Jul 2026, 05:58
#7
23 Jul 2026, 05:58#7

Only so many positions available until Rassie gets rid of the old guard. Elrigh already does what Roos can do and adds a lineout option as well as more dog work around the park. Doesn't help that Roos also comes with baggage. although he does look to have sorted out his discipline.

Plum
Captain21,324 posts
Plum23 Jul 2026, 08:26

@Xavi and C Wiese can cover 8 too.

I honestly think Roos needs to play to play on the side of the scrum, hybrid or something because it doesn't look like he's ever gonna convince the coaches that he could be the incumbent 8.

As you say, Wiese and Hanekom are there. Then there are other guys that could cover if need be. So where does Roos fit in? If you're a "maybe 3rd" then you are treated like a maybe 3rd 🤷‍♂️

Nothing about his exclusion truly surprises me.

Mozart
Coach50,051 posts
Mozart23 Jul 2026, 13:42

PdV is playing the role Roos should be playing….fetching, open field runs….potentially linking. Roos could do that with a more powerful physique. Our blindsiders are now locks and out 8th men are power runners. There is literally no position for Roos unless he transforms himself into something that looks more like Pollock or PdV

SA
Saffolk Captain30,785 posts
23 Jul 2026, 10:08
#8
23 Jul 2026, 10:08#8

Elrigh Louw does not do what Roos does - does not have the same skill set, he plays it direct, abrasively like Wiese does and the way Rassie wants his 8 to play

Roos’s downfall seems to be that he is too skilful, with an instinct to play both the wide and narrow game which is not the Bok blueprint when it comes to 8.

This is very unfortunate and for me is a Rassie shortcoming as a coach should want to have choices and variety in his squad. What makes it even more absurd is the fact that at times he picked Kwagga and even Kolisi at 8, both players who look take it wider and to be fair Hanekom is more of the Roos type of player

So I guess Rassie sees it as Wiese the incumbent and his model 8, with Elrigh Louw providing a similar blueprint and Hanekom the more expansive version.

I’d prefer to see Roos included with Louw being used more as a 7 with the option of playing him 8 if need be

Roos concedes too many turnovers as he is that good that his support players are unable to keep up with him to protect him from getting isolated. So in order to make it he has to redefine himself and reign himself in which is sad

Rassie should be embracing him, using him and Hanekom off the bench to play it wide once the bruisers have done the damage in the first 50. Kwagga is getting on we need to be looking elsewhere

Xavi
Pro1,951 posts
Xavi23 Jul 2026, 10:24

Those turnovers aren't only holding penalties. He loses the ball in contact a lot as well.

I do think Roos will get an extended run in the wider squad after the WC. Rassie is NOT going to just drop Siya, Kwagga or any of the ou manne unless injury forces his hand. 2028 will see Roos, Tshitukas (plural), Mahashe becoming more regular squad members.

Hopefully Ruan Venter can make it back in time to be involved in the WC planning, even edging out BJD. I think RV is the better heir to the PSDT throne.

Plum
Captain21,324 posts
Plum23 Jul 2026, 10:38

@Xavi Hopefully Ruan Venter can make it back in time to be involved in the WC planning, even edging out BJD. I think RV is the better heir to the PSDT all thrones."

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Xavi
Pro1,951 posts
Xavi23 Jul 2026, 10:40

@Plum

HAHA.
*fixed

SA
Saffolk Captain30,785 posts
23 Jul 2026, 11:14
#9
23 Jul 2026, 11:14#9

So much looseforward depth to choose from outside the incumbents of Siya, PSDT, Wiese and Kwagga

At 6 in order

de Villiers, Mahashe, Pepsi

At 7

Ruan Venter, Elrigh Louw, Vincent Tsituka, BJ Dixon, Ludwig, Batho (needs to rediscover his mongrel)

At 8

Roos/ Hanekom, Manu Tsituka / Horn

Big fan of Morabe at the Stormers as well, plays mostly 8 but 6 at the moment. Was out for ages with an injury

Cobus Wiese looks the best fit to replace Eben at 4 post WC

Plum
Captain21,324 posts
Plum23 Jul 2026, 17:02

@Pakie I think his saving grace is that he's still young and can add more power in the gym.

When I say he has the goods I mean he's got the size and athleticism. But ja, you and I watched probably most of the Lions games this season and there was only really one game where we were impressed.

Ideally he can consistently find berserk mode, occupy a few defenders and make an offload. Thats the fantasy I have in my head for him anyway and I hope he gets there.

KI
Pro3,731 posts
kingcorn23 Jul 2026, 21:44

@Pakie

Have to agree, Batho doesn't have the stamina and in the same mould as Hilton Lobberts, can run down a barn door, but that is about it.

I hate it when an Junior bok gest a clip of how well he broke the line, once and then he is the next big thing. He didn't do much for the lions when Venter got injured.

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