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So am I the only one feeling like this about the TMO situation in rugby union?

Started by Pakie12 REPLIES51 VIEWS· 28 Sept 2026, 07:39
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Pakie
PakieCaptain18,416 posts
28 Sept 2026, 07:39
#1
28 Sept 2026, 07:39#1

I feel TMO should do try or no try, nothing else.

The rest down to the onfield officials - there are three of them FFS. The cellphone situation yesterday just about made a joke of the game. Few weeks ago in Baltimore a Bok/AB test was interrupted for almost the length of a quarter of the game to fix comms issues.

These interruptions disrupt the intensity and flow of the games. By all means cite a player on review after the game if there's a head contact or whatever that the onfield guys missed, but let the game flow. It's being micromanaged to death right now and it's not like the game of union isn't in enough trouble as it is without these circuses.

Pakie
Captain18,416 posts
Pakie28 Sept 2026, 07:05

@Plum what other sport right now requires an in-game conference between four officials (and then in some cases on to another bunch in a "bunker") to get a simple decision made? It's bollocks, a game being drowned in the self-importance of its decision makers.

Plum
Captain22,230 posts
Plum28 Sept 2026, 07:58

@Pakie i hear you. But it's an efficiency problem. If one person takes 60 seconds to make a decision versus 5 people taking 60 seconds to make a more accurate decision, there is no reason to go with the first option. But the clowns in WR seem incapable of brining us nearer to option 2.

In other words, if they can bring the time decisions take to be made to a point where its not very disruptive, then I'm fine with it. It's when they take three minutes to look at the Hooker tackle and watch same angle about 8 times, then i start questioning their competence.

For me, i want the best decisions possible and I'm willing to make some concessions in that regard. But I'm not infinitely patient either.

KI
kingcornPro3,901 posts
28 Sept 2026, 09:51
#2
28 Sept 2026, 09:51#2

I don't know how they messed up, for some reason the linesman could hear the TMO but the ref couldn't

Why on earth did the linesman not just put the flag up, but the real problem is that the ref on the field has the final say and the TMO can only advise. We seen this happen both ways where the TMO calls something and the ref over rules them or the ref sending all calls to the TMO. In some instance like foot in touch they were quick to respond and said it was confirmed by the TMO with out review.

But the main culprit was the time wasting, between a shoulder to head took over a minute with another scrum being called and the on field ref missing it completely. Where as the graze of Ethan hooker was picked up.

I think the refs lost confidence and then couldn't see all of the incidents happening around the field.

I think Aus imploded with the pressure, but the ref also imploded because the game was moving really fast and SA cranked it up.

All cards were valid except one where the wing was blown up.

My view is, don't send the player of, just give 3 points or a penalty try more frequently, if they player was in the process of scoring and you cut off an clear and obvious try, then blow a penalty try, keep the player on the field, but for serious foul play, card should be called.

Like the number 9 that was completely off side at the beginning when crappies had the ball dislodged.

It was a circus and world rugby want to speed up the game but don't have the ref or number of refs that can handle the pace. I almost feel you need two refs on the field like they have in NFL or at least put some lasers on the field to show the offside line to the players.

But to be honest, reffing has been a real mess for the past few seasons. I think the URC games were blown more cleanly over the weekend.

How many players puts their hands on the ground and then just flop over the ball, come from the side etc. This I really hate. I would just say instead on penalising, if the attacking teams rucking cause the players to be chest to the body of the tackled player or laying flat on the ground then just call ruck over. Players should be able to put their hands on the ground, but the need to maintain a minimum height, they are not allowed to ruck, neither are players allowed to fly into the ruck as that is dangerous. They need to sort this out ASAP

MP
MpowerPro5,254 posts
28 Sept 2026, 10:18
#3
28 Sept 2026, 10:18#3

Rugby union has over 200 rules, i think. In a fast‑paced game, the ref and TMO have to officiate in real time through all of them.

It’s no wonder decision‑making lags and we ended up with this circus on Sunday. The scrum wasn’t really the issue, it was more about the yellow cards and penalties.

So WR must either simplify the laws and cut some out, or find another solution. Right now it’s clearly a stuff‑up, and the game suffers while the officials turn every match into their on‑field soap opera.

Pakie
Captain18,416 posts
Pakie28 Sept 2026, 09:11

Yeah it is a complicated game, but some decisions are simple. Wilson's hit on Marx for example, first replay I could call it yellow - head on head, but mitigation as Marx was just about down on one knee while Wilson was bent almost 90 at the waist, meaning 1) tackler made an effort to go lower than shoulder line but 2) carrier dropped in height. That is a summary you make in 10 seconds and make the call, simple. Anything more can be dealt with after the game or by the mythical bunker. These things need to be sped up if we're hellbent on using the tech, none of these decisions need a boardroom conference.

Plum
Captain22,230 posts
Plum28 Sept 2026, 09:33

@Pakie The problem with that delayed call was the comms. I also complained and then people pointed out to me that it's cause the TMO had to phone the ref...lol

But that's only that incident. There are so many others where one replay is more then enough yet it takes numerous minutes.

I'm not sure why they don't use the telemetry data already available to them and automate much of the mundane stuff that only serves to distract refs. Specifically thinking about off sides...there are so many ways to be offside in rugby. Distances from scrums and lineouts, being in front of kickers, lines at rucks. With the tech we have, each guy can simply wear a tracker and the ref never has to think about that stuff again.

Technology is supposed to simplify things. Not make them more difficult.

Rooinek
RooinekCaptain19,031 posts
28 Sept 2026, 11:03
#4
28 Sept 2026, 11:03#4

Yes, the TMO can be frustrating and lately becoming even more so when it comes to delays and tech issues.

However, I would remind you of a few things.

Firstly, I'd rather have a few delays than go back to the situation of a decade or so ago where we at home watching on TV get a whole bunch of replays in slo-mo from different angles which the ref doesn't get . . . so we all knew when the ref had made a mistake and started bitching about what an idiot he was and threatened his life if he ever set foot in our country. That is what we South Africans did, right?

Secondly, you can't compare rugby with other sports. The TMO equivalent in sports like tennis and cricket is only measuring linear things like is the ball in or out or would the ball have hit the stumps or not. Tennis is probably the best in terms of knowing the correct call as soon as possible but the delays in cricket are still less disruptive than rugby because cricket has natural breaks anyway like while the bowler is walking back to his mark or at the end of an over.

Football has a flow similar to rugby and has also become more reliant on VAR but - while the rules of the game are a lot less complex than the ever-changing laws of rugby - they still have delays while waiting for VAR to confim offside or adjudicate on penalty area incidents like fouls or handballs.

Rugby has a lot more laws than football and there's also a lot more left to interpretation than in football.

Like it or not, there will always be some kind of disruption in play while the TMO makes a call but we can assume that as technology improves, those delays will reduce over time.

I would take a disruptive TMO over no TMO at all.

I know the TMO still makes some mistakes (as does VAR in football) but you're generally getting better decisions than if you didn't use the technology at all.

I'm for keeping it as is for now, while hoping decisions speed up as tech improves . . . which is hardly over-optimistic.

Pakie
Captain18,416 posts
Pakie28 Sept 2026, 14:42

Yeah I hear you. Finding a way to speed things up will help. In a game the other day the officials had to run all the way from one tryline to the tryline at the other end to view the big screen, then run all the way back again. It's just stupid.

I'm still standing by try or no try only, give them maybe two phases back to review like it was before they changed it after WC '23. But we're probably way too deep into these systems to change anything drastically now, unless there's more outcry than Pakie on Ruckersforum.

KI
kingcornPro3,901 posts
28 Sept 2026, 17:09
#5
28 Sept 2026, 17:09#5

Well, I hey have the big screen but I hear that most time at the stadium they don't show the replays that we see on TV to avoid angering the crowd and distracting the ref. If that is the case, instead of making the on field ref the main person to choose, why not give the TMO more powers to stop the game and make a decision.

I've, tackle to the head, we don't need them to deliberate, just say what it is and yank the player off, penalty and get on with the game.

They could just some red siren lights on, show what happened and the display the yellow card or red card. Tell who the culprit is and off he go.

The ref can then just get on with it.

Same as what they do in cricket and Hawkeye, this becomes more entertaining, throw in an ad break and get tons American sponsorship

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