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Sacha bashing

Started by Mozart24 REPLIES134 VIEWS· 24 Aug 2026, 04:49
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Mozart
MozartCoach50,288 posts
24 Aug 2026, 04:49
#1
24 Aug 2026, 04:49#1

There has been a building negative view on Sacha, to the extent that some of these so called rugby experts, handing out their biased player ratings, have him at a 4. Well watching the game again I see a couple of dangerous gain line runs, a few brilliant high ball takes one where he was in the clear with zero support, a try saving corner flagging tackle on Jordan (the reason he got there is he could anticipate what was going to happen and put on the after burners), some great touchline kicks….and a yes some mistakes.

There was one dropped ball when Allende passed into his head from 5 yards away, maybe a few other handling errors, and clearly not great coordination in the backline. Part of the reason for that is he was trying to force the issue….throwing the pass to put the receiver through the gap. The kind of passes NZ was throwing that were routinely caught…..because the players were anticipating them.

I agree Williams and Sacha is perhaps not the best combination. Ideally he would be playing with a very steady scrumhalf that could help him with decision making and take some of the pressure off. The trouble is that steady Eddie is Reinach, ever a hesitant clearer from the ruck and no tactician. I can’t figure out why Faf was deep sixed for this guy.

The kid is a match winner, trying to play cutting edge rugby in a team that has the most basic backline tactics of any top team….a bit of a fish out of water, but the player who could change Bok rugby. And already a player who has made test winning contributions. We need a real backline coach, Brown has done nothing, whether he can’t or isn’t allowed to, is unclear. We are no different to 2019, that was just another myth. Sacha would benefit hugely from better overall backline coaching. Hell, whoever is coaching the Japanese backline is miles ahead of us.

The most concerning thing is goal kicking. Sure Cheslin did a great job on Saturday but he is injured and 32 years old. Jalibert also doesn’t kick, Ramos does….but I don’t see our Ramos. My guess is we will see Manie before the series is over. But he is no pressure kicker either and the most feeble tackler in the squad. Sacha has fabulous range, but less than optimal consistency. It would be interesting to see some test career stats on that to gauge the extent of the problem.

I can easily see some kind of bench role evolving for Sacha, that would be such a retrogressive step, but it’s on the cards. Hopefully we won’t waste him at fullback or put him at 12 off the bench.

Pakie
Captain17,908 posts
Pakie24 Aug 2026, 05:25

He is brilliant individually, but no one plays off him in the Bok setup. In a French side he would have been a better Jalibert - the skills plus more physicality, he'd create havoc in those setups. Hell, the Aussies would probably kill for him - imagine a sharp guy like Lennie Ikitau next to him with Sua outside, what he could do with the space of a deeper, more nuanced attack. All these sides, from Aus to Japan to Scotland to the ABs, who has specifically stated they want to get back to traditional AB rugby under Rennie, are pushing an expansive, multi-layered game. I love the Boks, but for the love of god we're a hard side to watch with the way we play by not playing.

Plum
Captain21,646 posts
Plum24 Aug 2026, 09:24

@Pakie nobody plays off of him because DDA physically can't keep up and our wingers are always too far back because they're expecting to have to time runs past his line at full tilt when he kicks for the millionth time.

And then we complain when perhaps twice in a game he tries to take it one himself.

bobbok
bobbokCaptain10,429 posts
24 Aug 2026, 07:05
#2
24 Aug 2026, 07:05#2

Good summaries ... Brown ball smells

KI
kingcornPro3,812 posts
24 Aug 2026, 08:40
#3
24 Aug 2026, 08:40#3

Talented player, that is for sure. Frustrating when you see a player not talking to his inside our outside backs, that playes on instinct and talent alone. Where did we see this before?

As a 10 you need to be vocal, you need to think 10 steps ahead. I don't see this. This nonsense of heads up rugby and play what you see.

Then look at the last 10 years how Ireland went from mid to top. Who was in the driving seat. Sexton, I hate this guy's, big mouth, massive attitude, but the Irish backline worked. The forwards knew what they were doing and so on.

You can't excuse his talent and then not blame him. He is not ready, he had a break out season last year and now he has the 2nd year hump. He was awful all year with flashes of brilliance.

That is him.

Rassie is doing him no favours either in not having a decent 9. Bring back Faf, drop Reinach and put Williams in the wider squad and let van den berg develop a partnership with Sasha. Simples.

But too many moving parts, players can never get used to each other

MO
moolaaPro2,399 posts
24 Aug 2026, 08:41
#4
24 Aug 2026, 08:41#4

Sorry guys but from the other side I think Sacha is way overrated. Reminds me of a headless chook the way he played on Saturday. Hell if he can’t organise his backline with all the front foot ball the Boks had in the first half with the ABs in full reverse mode, he certainly wasn’t going to get any better once our forwards gained parity in the second half!
Pollard back I would think. May not be exciting but has a far cooler head in tight situations.

KI
Pro3,812 posts
kingcorn24 Aug 2026, 06:57

Thanks Moola, and from somebody who has seen there fair share if the most talented 10 to ever play the game.

Carter was amazing and probably still the best.

Then you had Carlos Spencer which every SA fan drooled over.

Even when you had a boring player like Mertens, he was still a match winner. Not flashy, but help the All Blacks dominate.

It also helped the all blacks probably had some of the best 9s to go with it and these players would often come as a combo package.

The fact that they don't have Papier or Pollard starting is mind boggling

Plum
PlumCaptain21,646 posts
24 Aug 2026, 09:41
#5
24 Aug 2026, 09:41#5

Help me understand how you guys come to your conclusions?

Let's start by how often Sacha got the ball. Then how many times he kicked and how many times he passed.

He is under instruction kick basically everything.

How are you meant to organise a backline, spark plays, and be a team guy when you have to kick every single ball that comes to you?

I'd love to know what communication you guys are talking about. There are basically three things that happen 99% of the time with the Boks...

The ball goes from 9 to pod...bash. 9 gets the ball and box kicks...everybody has to chase. Sacha gets the ball and is under instructions to kick it.

What communication is required from Sacha beyond what is easily discernible?

But here's a question for you boys, since you claim he's not ready. What is Sacha's win percentage starting at 10 for the Boks.

The answer might surprise you. And it doesn't line up with the narrative that he's not ready. The problem isn't the player, it's the moronic gameplan. The same game plan that lost us the chance to break Eden Park.

If, on Saturday, we again fail to use our backline, I honestly hope the ABs put an ever bigger score on us.

But KC, honestly, for any player of colour to make your grade, is almost impossible. I mean, you don't even rate Willemse and think he's apparently also too erratic.

SA
Captain30,838 posts
Saffolk 24 Aug 2026, 07:47

King is clueless - literally

SA
Saffolk Captain30,838 posts
24 Aug 2026, 09:45
#6
24 Aug 2026, 09:45#6

Spot on Moz - Sacha is the most gifted player in the game and needs to be cherished not ignorantly disregarded

Moola you are clueless

BE
Pro4,425 posts
becs24 Aug 2026, 14:56

@Saffolk and you were doing so well………

MO
Pro2,399 posts
moolaa24 Aug 2026, 20:18

@Saffolk Well I was right Saffolk. Obviously Rassie has seen the light too and the “best player in the game” has been benched!
How many “best players in the game” have you espoused now? Must be in the hundreds…..

Plum
PlumCaptain21,646 posts
24 Aug 2026, 11:00
#7
24 Aug 2026, 11:00#7

"Brown has done nothing"

I only see a some remnants of his influence occasionally when our forwards offload.

MP
MpowerPro5,150 posts
24 Aug 2026, 11:02
#8
24 Aug 2026, 11:02#8

Some of you are defending Sacha like he's already the finished product. Make no mistake, Sacha is very talented but talent alone doesn't win you Test matches.

You can't squeeze a player ready. He has to become ready on his own, and the way he played on Saturday showed he's not completely there yet.

Sacha mostly tries to beat the opposition team on his own, and he does that also by the Stormers. He doesn't create and distribute for his fellow backline players. Be honest, do you see him controlling the game at the Stormers week in and week out?

He doesn't have a cool head in pressure situations yet. He needs to be managed properly, not thrown in and expected to just be "super."

I don't believe Rassie instructed him to play like that. If he did, then Rassie is a massive fool and it shows that Rassie is actually clueless. I think it's more likely that Sacha was in over his head.

The better option right now is for him to play of the bench and Pollard starts. Pollard needs to teach him, guide him, and take the pressure off.

This way he can hone his skills, and learn how to control a game.

DbDraad
Captain26,808 posts
DbDraad24 Aug 2026, 14:02

Good post M, I agree...in short, he tries too hard and wants to do it all on his own...he should just curb his enthusiasm a wee bit...wait for it to come naturally instead of trying to force a miracle every time he touches the ball.

Plum
PlumCaptain21,646 posts
24 Aug 2026, 11:16
#9
24 Aug 2026, 11:16#9

I agree with King on Sexton though.

Ag, just in general I wish the Bok backs could score the types of tries the Irish do.

DE
DennyCaptain13,085 posts
24 Aug 2026, 11:32
#10
24 Aug 2026, 11:32#10

Someone said the Aussies would love to have a player like Sacha. He’d fit right into the Australian setup, with his game flourishing alongside teammates who share his mindset. Instead, he’s stuck in a rut with two pretend centres and a game plan that constantly falls back on kicking.
I honestly don't believe there's a coach in the country who can coach Sascha.

KI
Pro3,812 posts
kingcorn24 Aug 2026, 10:28

Deny, you may have a point, but even at the Stormers his backs struggle to figure what he is trying to do. Manie managed the Stormers backline way better. The stormers have some of the best attacks in the comp, but often their own worse enemy and it became evidently worse when Sasha was playing for them at 10.

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This is his season stats, you can't tell me this is a player on top of his game

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DbDraad
DbDraadCaptain26,808 posts
24 Aug 2026, 16:06
#11
24 Aug 2026, 16:06#11

The irony of Moz opinioning on player bashing...LOL

Mozart
Coach50,288 posts
Mozart24 Aug 2026, 14:31

Nice catch Draad….I love the smell of irony in the morning

DbDraad
Captain26,808 posts
DbDraad24 Aug 2026, 15:22

@Mozart ... it's your opinion...and you back it up with facts...I don't have to agree with it, or like it ...my disagreement is with some of your views and not with you as person...I tend to come across as snide at times... it's not intentional...I will work on it.

Mozart
Coach50,288 posts
Mozart24 Aug 2026, 15:26

@DbDraad …..just kidding Draad…I get the irony

Rooinek
RooinekCaptain18,581 posts
24 Aug 2026, 19:12
#12
24 Aug 2026, 19:12#12

I've been watching rugby for about 55 years. Sacha Feinberg-Mngomezulu is the most talented player I've ever seen.

Those of you who want to write him off after a few disappointing performances, go right ahead . . . he's going to apply liberal amounts of egg to your faces.

I have a problem with the game plan he's expected to play and I won't deny he's made a few errors in his last few games, especially his kicking out of hand . . . but this guy has the goods. If you can't see that then the problem is with you, not with him.

If I had the choice right now for the next test between Dan Carter at his best and SFM as he is right now, I'd pick Sacha in a heartbeat.

PS I also think a lot of players would have their confidence knocked if they made a few errors and got relegated to the bench but I think Sacha knows how good he is . . . and not in an arrogant way. He's still going to be a Springbok legend. This is just a speed wobble.

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