@Mozart
I repeat Chat’s summary of all the literature, rather than your selective bias:
LOL in the past you criticized me for using A.I. But now has to constantly fall back on it to make a generic rebuttal.
A laboratory accident also does not necessarily imply genetic engineering. It could theoretically have involved infection during wildlife sampling, handling of a naturally collected virus, animal experiments, or laboratory culture. These scenarios have quite different evidentiary requirements.
Yes but if your not implying genetic engineering why do you keep bringing up Gain of Function.
the funds were given to a Chinese lab to study viruses, something that is almost impossible to control, totally unwise and clearly the NIH never had access to all the data
The core rationale in granting the funding for the research to the Wuhan labs was to prevent another SARS like outbreak. By your own admission the Wuhan labs was the preeminent lab for researching that type of virus and it was geographically close to bat populations that carried Sars like virus. The research is not inherently impossible to control. Now yes there was oversight issues but again there is nothing linking the lab or the work they did there to the Covid 19 pandemic.
**Later evidence reconciled the two surprisingly well. The final SOLIDARITY analysis found:
Already mechanically ventilated: essentially no benefit.
Hospitalized and receiving oxygen but not ventilated: mortality 14.6% → 16.3%, RR 0.87.
All hospitalized patients not ventilated at entry: mortality 11.9% vs 13.5%, RR 0.86.
Death or progression to ventilation: 19.6% vs 22.5%.
The authors' conclusion was that remdesivir has no significant effect once patients are already ventilated, but produces a small reduction in death or progression to ventilation among hospitalized patients who aren't yet ventilated..
Those reductions are very modest and quite possibly ascribable to selection as to who got Remdesivir and how carefully they were monitored. Here’s the right conclusion:
Its effect on hospitalized mortality is small, and once someone is critically ill and mechanically ventilated, there is little evidence that remdesivir materially changes the outcome.
That's quite different from dexamethasone, whose mortality benefit in severely ill, oxygen-dependent COVID patients was large and unmistakable enough to make it one of the major therapeutic successes of the pandemic.
Your claim was misleading.**
Except as I mentioned and you ignored (how convenient) we now from a later meta-analyses of 122 studies that found a 30% reduction in deaths and remdesivir was found to be helpful people across different levels of illness (people on low-flow oxygen, people on high-flow oxygen, people on ventilators and people who weren't even on oxygen.
So you're the misleading one, both in how you mispresented Fauci has passing it off as a personal triumph and its overall effectiveness.
It was alarmism when we never needed it, people didn’t need to be frightened more than they were. And here’s the difference he actually said exactly that. Trump never told anybody to ingest bleach. Once again you are lying.
Alarmism, would you go with this nonsense after all the alarmist scutter you talked Iranian nukes.
Also where did I say Trump told people to ingest bleach? Care to read my post again?
So you can sense my anger ….huh……but you ignore my subsequent post where I write Evian esponser gnimoc, or if you reverse the lettering ‘coming response naive’. I knew exactly what you were going to use as your defense. And of course it’s nonsense.
No Moz I just exposed you're rubbish for the umpteenth time.
Demographic differences, timing and state of the virus and crucially measurement differences make the numbers highly unreliable. In the US any death where COVID was present was pretty much ascribed to COVID. For any comparison to be made all these factors would have to be normalized across countries.... Anger ….hahahaha …I was laughing in anticipation of you taking the bait. As usual you were totally predictable.
None of those factors you listed above come remotely close to offsetting the disparity between the death rates in Europe and the US. The claim that the pretty much anyone who died and had Covid was classified as Covid death was not true either.
If the US had massively overcounted its Covid death, its excess mortality would be lower but whoopsie, it was even higher, suggested Covid deaths were undercounted.
Anger ….hahahaha …I was laughing in anticipation of you taking the bait. As usual you were totally predictable.
Yes totally predictable... in spanking you in another debate.
