We have had two actions against Iran, the initial strike against nuclear enrichment facilities and the current war lite. Would you distinguish between the two and based on that, what should the world be doing about the terrorist state Iran. Let’s hear the alternatives.
Hang on, when you say the "initial" strike, do you mean Midnight Hammer or Epic Fail?
I promise I'll answer your question, I just want to understand it.
I remember what I posted after Midnight Hammer, I posted something to the effect that it is very ironic that the one and only country who's actually ever nuked another country remains so insistent that it be the only (or at least the leading) nuclear power.
I still think that.
Are you quite sure you should be calling this "war lite", Moz? You may regret that. It certainly wasn't "lite" for a bunch of schoolkids.
As for what the world should be doing, I'm not privy to the information that the world leaders get or what their relationships are like with other countries, but what I am 100% sure of is that the world would be in a much stronger, more positive and relatively peaceful state if NOTHING had been done.
Not saying there may not be some very valid suggestions from someone better informed than me on world politics, but doing NOTHING was better than this.
By a long way!
I actually don’t much care for these stupid military names for actions, granted they may motivate some troops. I am referring to the strike last year in one instance and the action started a few weeks ago as two distinct events.
Ok, well, those two distinct events were given names . . . your hero Bozo brags that he got to approve those stupid names. You may not care for them but you know exactly what I'm talking about and the names of these operations are irrelevant so I'm not sure why you brought them up.
In that case, I believe I've answered your questions. Am I dodging anything?
And your answer is you wouldn’t have attacked the uranium enrichment plants last year and you wouldn’t have started the war lite. So I guess it’s business as usual circa early 2025. Got it.
Breaking . . . this from the resignation letter of Joe Kent, the director of the National Counterterrorism Center (a Bozo appointee) . . .
“I cannot in good conscience support the ongoing war in Iran. Iran posed no imminent threat to our nation, and it is clear that we started this war due to pressure from Israel and its powerful American lobby,” Kent added in the resignation letter he attached to the post.
Good man!
You realize this man is far right and is simply reflecting the isolationist branch of MAGA
I don't know much about him at all but I'll take his comments at face value. He won't be the last rat to jump this ship.
Obama era = Iran not enriching Uranium to nuclear levels.
Trump era = Ends the Obama deal.
Iran starts enriching uranium to nuclear levels.
Trump then drops a bomb on the nuclear site. Many would say it was not a bad thing to destroy their nuclear site. However, Trump helped create the situation in the first place, where they were enriching uranium to nuclear levels.
America is the number one terrorist state in the world at the moment.
Iran may have been worse if it had the means, but that is not the case.
Were it not for trade deals, Trump would have probably already attacked Greenland and Canada as well.
As for that blockade in Cuba, it is utterly disgusting. Apparently, hospitals have no power, so patients are dying, and the economy is falling apart. All while the disgusting Americans think this is ok.
America used to be a good country, but now it is shit. They are just being carried by Big Tech.
The democratically appointed Hitler. Trump is worse than Putin.
sharkbok, I don't think it's just Big Tech. I think we'll see a more typical USA once they impeach the clown and get a real president.
The people who voted this disgusting human being into office (not just once but twice) have a lot to answer for.
So, you want Vance to become president? Gotcha.
@Rooinek, what I was thinking is that Big Tech are responsible for around 10% of American GDP. -not including downstream impact.
I believe America are a country in decline, but it is masked by the success of Big Tech. Remove them from the European Market and other allies, and their GDP shrinks rapidly.
The average IQ in America is in decline. What type of people would vote for Trump? Yes. We have the religious simpletons who worship him like God, but where are the sensible people gone?
States like California, New York and other Blue states still have brains, but the red states exist as tax fraud areas that are parasites off the blue states. Look at Texas - growing, yet, but much of Big Tech is basing their operating their to avoid having to pay tax. (This is not a long-term plan; it is just cashing in the chips and screw future generations.
PS, are you for or against the pressure he is putting on the ANC?...for or against their support for Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, Russia and China...and do you see China as a threat to the West or South Africa at all?
Tell me if it's too far off topic for you all's liking..
Draad, I'd answer your question but I can't get past this:
"for or against their support for Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, Russia and China"
Support?
You think what's happening is "support" for Iran . . . and Cuba?
America is in decline, and yet since 2000 US GNP has grown by 75% and European GNP has grown by 35%. Shark the Theme Park is the entity in decline, heading towards irrelevance. I’d advise relocating to a winner.
Europe has made a mistake by allowing American monopolies to close down the market. Europe were following the rules-based order, while China and America are cheating it.
Big Tech will start becoming much smaller Tech once the products are removed from our markets. It has already started with governments that realise that their email and other data are not safe with American companies owning it. All data products must be phased out. America can't be trusted with this data, especially not with Hitler running the show.
20-30 years ago, no way that America would have democratically elected Trump.
I would take any of the EU politicians any day over America's bribed lobbyists that pretend to be politicians.
Big Tech is holding America together. However, the social fabric of American society is falling apart.
Sentiment is increasing in California to leave America (cede). Almost 50% now want to be their own country. California are the Jewel of America. They subsidize the Red states.
Get real ASML Europe’s largest tech company doesn’t crack the global top ten. The chance for Europe to be a tech player is gone, lost in a society tied up with social angst and bureaucracy.
If/When California cede from America, Big Tech is no longer American
Over 70%+ of the people who work in American Big Tech offices are not American. Having the dollar as the global reserve currency has helped fund investments that other countries could not make.
Loans can just be written off as inflation within other countries. The petrodollar is dying, and the world is moving away from the global currency. Trump is accelerating the process.
Us demands or so called "Pressure" on the ANC:
• classifying farm attacks as priority crime.
• public condemnation of " Kill the Boer song"
• no land expropriation without fair market compensation
• exemption for US entities from BEE regulations
News reports says:
The ANC has doubled down, not backed down
Rather than softening its approach, the ANC has rhetorically hardened itself. The movement fundamentally lacks humility and sees itself as at least the US's equal. (Polity)
Ramaphosa's public posture has been one of defiance. "South Africa belongs to all the people who live here. It does not belong to Donald Trump."
Some subtle shifts, but minor
Pretoria has made some quiet moves to distance itself from Iran. Ramaphosa launched a probe into how Iran came to participate in BRICS naval exercises, and reportedly tried to limit Tehran's role to observer status.
South Africa has also been attempting to strike a trade deal with Washington. (Al Jazeera) But these are tactical maneuvers, not concessions on the core demands.
The ANC's dilemma
Dropping the ICJ case against Israel, for instance, would be politically near-impossible for the ANC, whose historic sympathy for Palestine is deeply entrenched from its own liberation struggle days. (RUSI)
The ANC genuinely cannot meet several of Trump's demands without fracturing its own identity and coalition.
The cost is real but being absorbed
A 90-day tariff suspension was granted to allow for negotiations, but the ANC made no meaningful progress during that period.
(ISS Africa)
The economic pain tariffs, aid cuts, potential AGOA exclusion, is falling on ordinary South Africans, not the ANC leadership.
Trump's demand to exempt US entities from BEE is framed entirely around American corporate interests, not South African poverty or inequality.
It doesn't challenge the policy on principle, it just carves out a special lane for US companies. That actually leaves the dysfunctional system intact for everyone else while giving American firms a competitive advantage.
So paradoxically, his demand could worsen inequality within South Africa's business environment rather than fix it.
The deeper irony
A genuine challenge to BEE's failures, one framed around the poor Black majority it has failed, would be far more powerful and harder for the ANC to dismiss.
Instead, Trump's framing allows the ANC to paint any criticism of BEE as racist or neo-colonial, which actually shields the policy from legitimate scrutiny.
The people most harmed by BEE's dysfunction are largely not white Afrikaners. They are working-class and unemployed Black South Africans with a 33%+ unemployment rate.
(ISS Africa)
Come now Shark if California cedes we will eject them from the NFL, they’ll never risk that.
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I sometimes do not understand the people on this site, Iran is a diocatatorship promoting Muslim terrorism wooorldwide and funding and arming terrorism as well while spreading a religious mono[ply worldwide, In Ian itself the copuntry is governed based on an ideology develop 1 300 years ago qhwre woman ar astoned to death if accused od adultery, where people are treated like slaves. S i nillions of people fled from Iran and they will crcify site eembers coming up wth shit,
The Ayatollah Regime has a plan to create an Islamic superstate in the Middle East and in Noprth d Central Africa where they were invoved in coil as and terrorism - but according to site member that is not a problem. They have ideas that the could capture Europe in future and represent a re threat to Europe with terrorism to start of with,
As to nucear arms - the Iran Ayatolla h signmed a treaty based on corruption by the USA Gpvernment and them moved the enrichmnt plants to different venues mostly rated as army camps where no inspections were allowed.. So all they did was expanded their enruchment processes and was never to weapongrade when the USA bombed the sites The celebrations oon this site whens ome people they beleive aid that the strikes were ineffective.
So lets go back to nuclear arms usage. THe USA was the only country in the world that used niclear bombs in warfare and the resultt shcked the world. At th tme the USA was the only country with nuclear arms . France and the UK also developed nuclear armaments - but has since hen tomedthere arms down - they never used it, In time th USSR and China followed - but they never used it in warfare, Then came North Korea, Pakistan and India, North Korea is under conmtrol of China and will never be allowed to use nuclear arms in warfare. But then we get Iran governed by people who think theor death as martyrs will benefit them. Will they refrain from using nuclear arms in War bearibng ibbn mind their believe in furutre life after death will be better than it is now, The fact is they pronmise t destroy Israel byy using nuclear bombs - but ill they stop there, - no way,
I am sorry - but of [people think that iran must gp alon g like they did over the time sibnce 1977 then they must also believe the world is amde of reen cheese, China and Russia is happy about th instability Irsan create in the countries - but will not help Iran in the present scenario.
What I fail to undertand is why site members refuse to dsee and understand the factual situaion and said nothing should happen to a regime based on a theoology that is cruel and primitve and shoul be allowed a free hand to do not understand the real situatuon involving the Athreat pased by the Ayatollah regime - i hey get theor hmds on nucear bombs theyw ill use it, - in other words they be;lieve th moon is made of Green Cheese.
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America used to be a good great country, but now it is shit.
"Support?
You think what's happening is "support" for Iran . . . and Cuba?
I was talking about ANC support...the US is obviously directly opposed to these countries...ANC embrace them.
Good picture Bob...when things stabilize in Iran that oil drip will be cut and the bear will be in trouble.
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We have had two actions against Iran, the initial strike against nuclear enrichment facilities and the current war lite. Would you distinguish between the two and based on that, what should the world be doing about the terrorist state Iran. Let’s hear the alternatives.
I can make suggestions about what should of been done, but I'm not sure what can be done right now from the present position, because as they say the enemy (in this case Iran) gets a vote on what happens.
But first please, please, please, pretty please with sugar on top can you tell me what the Trump administration is actually trying to achieve with its current military action?
America used to be a good great country, but now it is shit
The degree to which the corupt Autopen Presidency the dama ge done to the ima g e of the U SA and democracy was nearty totally destroyed the country,
But first please, please, please, pretty please with sugar on top can you tell me what the Trump administration is actually trying to achieve with its current military action?
Nice try, but no. This is the string where you get a chance to tell us what should be done…not ask questions of those you disagree with on the topic,
I can make suggestions about what should of been done, but I'm not sure what can be done right now from the present position
How awkward for you. But this is all about brain storming, so let’s set aside the current status. Go back three weeks and tell us what you would have prescribed then.
How awkward for you. But this is all about brain storming, so let’s set aside the current status. Go back three weeks and tell us what you would have prescribed then.
sweet f.a
PS, are you for or against the pressure he is putting on the ANC?...for or against their support for Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, Russia and China...and do you see China as a threat to the West or South Africa at all?
It is very funny. Do liberals agree they are a threat on the rest of the world?
I remember what I posted after Midnight Hammer, I posted something to the effect that it is very ironic that the one and only country who's actually ever nuked another country remains so insistent that it be the only (or at least the leading) nuclear power.
It is very funny. Liberals developed many tools, many frameworks to determine rational thinking, rational decision making etc and they often use them to declare superiority on others.
Yet using the very same tools, the very same framework, Iran in this story is the rational agent, the US have been acting irrationally. If time, another piece to be written on that.
It is very funny because liberals ignore the MAD situation and immediately assign to Iran the irrational behaviour of using a nuclear bomb. MAD does not work for Iran. See how liberals skip that part. Iran has the bomb, Iran uses it. In any thread,on this board, this is a given and liberals never provides anything to bridge the gap. They are unable to answer how they come to the conclusion Iran will ignore MAD.
Of course, it is not about Iran using the bomb if they get it. It is about Iran being able to protect itself from being bullied around. This is what it is about and indeed, if Iran has the bomb, the US and co will no longer be able to bully Iran as they do.
Ramaphosa's public posture has been one of defiance. "South Africa belongs to all the people who live here. It does not belong to Donald Trump
Yep, and in the very next breath Ramaphosa goes to the US with a large delegation, to beg Trump for millions and millions of financial support........ to keep his own population alive in South Africa, because he is unable to provide those funds..... because his party has stolen all of it.
sharkbok, I don't think it's just Big Tech. I think we'll see a more typical USA once they impeach the clown and get a real president.
Oh happy day......Hallelujah!!!
Nice try, but no. This is the string where you get a chance to tell us what should be done
Yep..... and yet some people on here still can't even admit who they would choose to believe in this war......
It's simple..... Iran or Trump.... and it's not a very difficult or complicated question....and there is no 50 / 50 in this... it's war.
So put your stake in the ground and stand by your decision and beliefs.....would you believe the information that you get from Iran, or would you believe the information that you get from the White House.
Nice try, but no. This is the string where you get a chance to tell us what should be done…not ask questions of those you disagree with on the topic,
LOL Captain thread diversion now wants to keep the thread rigidly on topic. I've asked this question on another thread and I got no answer, I'm just going to assume you and the people who support the operation don't actually know what the Trump administration is trying to achieve, you just intend to wait for Trump to declare victory and then on whatever grounds he declares victory on, your going to then move to the position of 'oh yeah that was the objectives all along'.
How awkward for you. But this is all about brain storming, so let’s set aside the current status. Go back three weeks and tell us what you would have prescribed then.
Oh that's easy, negotiate with Iran. Now I say that for multi reasons.
"The US should not have sent those useless clowns Witkoff and Kushner to the negotiators, they are completely out of their depth, they should have sent proper diplomat's who were fully briefed on the region and qualified to handle negotiation's of such importance."
100% correct. Bozo has surrounded himself with incompetent lickspittles. I commented on this when Bozo started his second term and everything I said back then is proving correct.
Hegsuck is a classic example. He doesn;t have a single qualification for the job he's supposed to be doing and the only reason he got the job is because he's been sucking up to Bozo for about a decade now. I'm suprised Sean Hannity hasn't got a cabinet post . . . but I'd bet dollars to doughnuts he was offered one.
This is all on Bozo. No-one else.
Lickspittle is such a great word……can you come up with a brilliant use of lickspittle in the movies?
