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Companies are leaving South Africa

Started by Mozart19 REPLIES649 VIEWS· 10 Feb 2026, 17:02
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Feb 2026, 17:02
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10 Feb 2026, 17:02#1

JOHANNESBURG—The corporate exodus from what was supposed to be Africa’s breakout economy is accelerating, propelled by a toxic cocktail of corruption, lawlessness and poor infrastructure.

Foreign investors from Shell to British American Tobacco are downsizing in South Africa. Those decisions could mark a watershed moment for a country where the government’s ability to deliver basic services has become so limited that private firms have taken over many basic civic functions.

Africa’s biggest and most-developed economy has long been plagued by logistical problems, including failing infrastructure and rising electricity costs. Firms have put up with those drawbacks for access to South Africa’s deep seam of mineral wealth and its growing consumer market.

But a catalog of recent high-profile corruption scandals, often linked to laws intended to right the racial wrongs of apartheid, has eroded South Africa’s reputation among investors and exacerbated the country’s fundamental problems, including regular dayslong water and power outages.

Legislation designed to improve the lot of South Africa’s Black majority has also deterred investment. Elon Musk’s SpaceX was in talks with South African officials about launching its Starlink internet service in the country—which could have boosted the fortunes of the country’s economic backwaters—but the world’s richest man is demanding an exemption from a rule that requires foreign companies to give up 30% of their local operations to Black South Africans.

The World Bank estimates that crime costs South Africa’s economy at least 10% of gross domestic product annually, including stolen property, the extra costs of security and insurance, and missed economic opportunities.

A spokesman for South Africa’s presidency said that the movements of the companies had to do with their “global restructuring processes.”

“As those firms have left, others have come in,” said Vincent Magwenya. He pointed to Chinese car manufacturer Chery’s agreement to purchase a manufacturing plant in Rosslyn, South Africa, from Nissan.

Rolex closed its South African affiliate office in 2024, citing what a spokeswoman called the evolution of local markets. Criminals, collectively dubbed the “Rolex gang,” terrorize wealthy Johannesburg residents by robbing them of their luxury watches at gunpoint, often shooting first and grabbing the watch after.

The Rolex spokeswoman declined to say whether such groups influenced the company’s decision to leave the country. Rolex is maintaining an after-sales service center there, she said.

Shell, along with BP, sold the refinery they jointly owned to South Africa’s state-owned Central Energy Fund in 2024 for one South African rand, or about six U.S. cents. That same year, Shell said it would sell its gas stations in the country, but the energy company has yet to find a buyer. A spokesman for Shell said the company wasn’t leaving South Africa and continued to have various interests in exploration.

“It’s less about the proceeds. It’s more about taking things that don’t fit our strategy off the books,” Shell Chief Financial Officer Sinead Gorman said on the company’s second-quarter earnings call in July.

British American Tobacco has announced that it is closing its last cigarette-manufacturing facility in South Africa by the end of this year, due to the illicit trade in cigarettes that has wiped out around 75% of the local legal market for tobacco. The company intends to shift to an import model.

The cigarette maker says its facility, first opened in 1975, currently operates at just 35% capacity, due to the exponential growth of the illicit tobacco trade in South Africa, triggered by a ban on cigarette sales during the coronavirus pandemic.


In 2024, BNP Paribas closed its corporate and investment bank in South Africa amid a broader pullback from the continent by European banks. Later that year, HSBC said it would transfer its South African business to local banks and exit the country.

Some multinationals operating here have themselves become embroiled in South Africa’s endemic corruption.

Bain shut down its South African consulting business last year after a state corruption inquiry into Jacob Zuma found the company had colluded with the former president to weaken South Africa’s tax agency.

The Boston-based firm was banned from doing business with the South African government in 2022, after the National Treasury accused Bain of “corrupt and fraudulent practices.”

Bain’s actions curbed the tax agency’s ability to tackle financial crime, according to the inquiry, which heard testimony over almost three years that Zuma and members of his government allegedly allowed well-connected businessmen and foreign companies to score lucrative government contracts in return for payments and other favors. There have been no convictions related to the corruption allegations, which analysts say is evidence of further government failure.

Zuma didn’t respond to a request for comment via his lawyer. He has repeatedly denied the allegations. Bain didn’t respond to requests for comment.

Mining giant Anglo American, a stalwart among South Africa’s foreign investors, is currently working to divest its majority stake in diamond behemoth De Beers for either an initial public offering or sale. Last year it spun off and then sold its remaining stake in the world’s No. 1 platinum mining company, South Africa-based Anglo American Platinum, now called Valterra Platinum.


Still, Anglo, which has operated in South Africa for over 100 years, isn’t giving up on the country entirely. It has retained its majority shareholding in South African miner Kumba Iron Ore, as well as an interest in a local manganese business and its sprawling wine farm, Vergelegen, outside of Cape Town.

“We continue to see South Africa as our hub for investment into the entire region, whether in exploration or more developed opportunities,” said James Wyatt-Tilby, a spokesman for Anglo American. “We are incredibly proud of the broader contributions that we make in the country towards addressing a number of national priorities, whether relating to energy, logistics, crime and corruption, or education, to name a few.”





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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Feb 2026, 17:08
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10 Feb 2026, 17:08#2

What a shame that a country that was assembling its own cars, leading the world in deep mining technology, converting coal to petroleum….is collapsing into Africa mediocrity. There was no need for this. Right from the start the ANC ignored corruption, the disease that has destroyed the rest of Africa.


China will pick up the pieces.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
10 Feb 2026, 17:19
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10 Feb 2026, 17:19#3

The ANC is, quite simply, an organized crime syndicate.

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
10 Feb 2026, 18:02
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10 Feb 2026, 18:02#4

The corruption leitmotiv... Funny...


Kolmanskop incoming.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
10 Feb 2026, 18:10
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10 Feb 2026, 18:10#5

It's too easy to blame the ANC and leaders.


Everybody here is corrupt.


Just a week ago there was a refuse collection strike in my area that lasted for two weeks.


Why?


1) Council will only award the tender for refuse collection to someone willing to give a 20% brown envelope to back to those in charge of awarding the tender.


2) As a result the refuse collection guy who gets the tender doesn't make enough money to pay his staff adequately and can thus only hire casual staff and pay them peanuts.


3) Casual workers go on strike and demand that they get paid a living wage for their work.


4) Council managers confuse the situation, lie to the guys striking, pretend something will be done but don't sort anything out.


5) Eventually some politician sees an opportunity to catch a shine, goes there and says politician type things...with cameras, of course.


6) Council managers get nervous and finally something is done.


In the end, the community and the workers are screwed over.


But here's the problem. Take any of those guys striking and put them into those positions at council...and they'll do the same.


I'm currently involved in three projects and it's the exact same story. We just add 10% on top of our price to pay the scumbags their share. If you don't do it, you simply won't get nominated. The greed is endless and the morality none existent.


It's why I say the ANC could be booted, but the people have an appetite for corruption. It's just the way of this continent.

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
10 Feb 2026, 18:18
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10 Feb 2026, 18:18#6

Of course, corruption does not happen elsewhere with greater magnitude...

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
10 Feb 2026, 18:28
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10 Feb 2026, 18:28#7

Not only companies leaving...people has been leaving in droves for years now...the Afrikaner comunity in SA has negative population growth because of it...and it's mostly the skilled people....and yes Trad it will look like Kolmanskop when we all leave...nobody left to do maintenance...or grow and harvest the crops to feed everyone...South Africa is a lost cause...only God can turn things around and I don't think He'll be in thr mood any time soon.

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
10 Feb 2026, 18:41
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10 Feb 2026, 18:41#8

Indeed, It happened the same in Kolmanskop, people leaving because of corrupted officials...


Kolmanskop incoming...

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
11 Feb 2026, 21:37
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11 Feb 2026, 21:37#9

Damn bloody sad is all I can say. The fish is rotten from head to tail.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
12 Feb 2026, 00:47
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12 Feb 2026, 00:47#10

SA has fallen, I really pray I'm wrong...the next 5 years are crucial...what they've let to happen with foot and mouth disease is criminal...DA leader John Steenbroek is the minister of agriculture nogal...all but destroyed the cattle industry...and milk industry by extension in large parts of the country... pathetically poor management...so inept it looks deliberate...hard times ahead

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
12 Feb 2026, 00:50
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12 Feb 2026, 00:50#11

At least 66 percent of the country still vote ANC/MK/EFF....no chance of anything changing soon.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
12 Feb 2026, 07:54
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12 Feb 2026, 07:54#12

These farmers are literally in tears, having to personally shoot all their cattle

It is horrifying

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
12 Feb 2026, 10:52
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12 Feb 2026, 10:52#13

At least 66 percent of the country still vote ANC/MK/EFF....no chance of anything changing soon.


Zero, ever, unless there's a coup. The only reason the ANC got some heat in the last election is because MK pulled a ton of their votes. Next election they'll be up to 60+% again probably. The DA can't get past their internal power games and gain the support of the disillusioned, who will once again vote for the insignificant little mickey mouse parties that will pop up like weeds in the election year.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
12 Feb 2026, 12:00
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12 Feb 2026, 12:00#14

What I don't get, is why are so many Black people opening saying that they actually had it better under apartheid, yet they still vote for the ANC.....

They openly admit that hospitals, doctors, post offices, clinics, infrastructure, roads, electricity etc etc etc all worked far better and that they had a better standard of living.....yet, ANC it still is

Makes no logical sense

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
12 Feb 2026, 12:36
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12 Feb 2026, 12:36#15

Is there a better alternative?

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
12 Feb 2026, 12:36
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12 Feb 2026, 12:36#16

Sad thing is most of the population don't even vote anymore, and here in my area those from the coloured / black communities who are opposed to the ANC refuse to vote DA - they'd rather vote PA or GOOD or <insert flavour of the month new party with the nicest promises that will be gone by next election> than DA. There's no hope. Watching all the water issues from Johannesburg to all over, places without water for weeks, you can only surmise that everything is starting to collapse. Decades of corruption and no maintenance or expansion is starting to resemble dominoes falling.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
12 Feb 2026, 12:44
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12 Feb 2026, 12:44#17

Is there a better alternative?


The DA is a better alternative. The DA-run Western Cape, while not perfect, at least still show a semblance of accountability. In 2024 over 60% of the DA-run municipalities had clean audits, compared to 5% of those under ANC control.


But it may be already too late for anyone to fix the country. The entrenchment of organized crime, the roughly 7 million tax payers having to carry the needs of 58 million people + all the corrupt politicians and criminals...it has to implode at some point.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Feb 2026, 13:32
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12 Feb 2026, 13:32#18

It is true and getting worse. he railways ervice as collapsed totally. Riversdale waa connected to the Raiway sysem running from Cape Town to Port Elizabeth in 1903 and the sevioce flourished for more han a hundred years providing daily passenger service on the route and usng the seice connecting the twon to th cape town maket and to graneries all over the Western Cape.


So when I bought my House in 2015 I was shown a house adjacent to the rail line - but was told there wefr no mor than 2 trains day. Until 2018 the huge whet harest caused regular pick-ups at the grain silo in Riversdale - while there were trainloads of MOssgas transported to Cape Town at least once every second day,


Since then the train system collapsed ttally and the ast train sen was mor than 8 months ago. The station buildings were looted and everythin g possbl was stolen, The station garden - once getting awards as the best in SA is now plan and simple a total mess,


By the way a bridge between Odtshooern and PE was washed away in a flood in 2003 - but never repaired by our glorious government, Everything is collapsing - but the agriultural production in the region is flourishing becaus it is controlled by the Western Cape Govrnment not controlld by the ANC,


I bought my House in Riversdale in 2015 for R910 000 - at presnt adjacent homes - even woth ess facilities in the same street has beens od for more than R3 million. Homes for sale in Riverddale is a s rare as hens teeth and are sold to hundreds of applicants who are on the waiting list of sales agencies in town. In essese more elerly hites from the other provnces unable to flee fro the country - flrr yto th moprd safe Western Cape. But then that does not save the contry since inflation is killing affordability.


With due respect the Black popuation claimed in polls that they are worse off now than they were in 1994. The people borne since the 1990's are as bad off than they were before the ANC was taken over by the ultra-corrupt Zuma shit,



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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
12 Feb 2026, 15:37
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12 Feb 2026, 15:37#19

With due respect the Black popuation claimed in polls that they are worse off now than they were in 1994

This is why I mentioned this in my post Mike, because even my black friends and colleagues also openly state this as fact, yet the ANC gets the votes at every election.

As the majority population, the black people have it in their hands to change the leadership of this country, but they never do it....

It seriously cannot get any worse than what it is, and when I see how Zuma and Malema treat their fellow black citizens, just to get their votes..... it sickens me.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
12 Feb 2026, 18:53
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12 Feb 2026, 18:53#20

The DA is in shambles and not fit to rule. They are better than the ANC, that's it. It went well in the Western Cape because of the demographics of the population and the level of development throughout the province, not necessarily their competence. Just look at how Steenbroek fucked up the foot and mouth disease crisis...and if it doesn't rain well this coming winter, Cape Town will be in trouble with water again. It's been 7 years since the last water crises and they have done absolutely nothing to avert another one....only increased the rates and taxes for the middle class in the previously white areas. The DA only positive is that they are not the ANC...almost like the Dems running as Not Trump in the USA...not sustainable. The Freedom Front + has been making inroads in becoming a more inclusive party and they are gaining votes from black South Africans, but they will always be seen as a white Afrikaner Party, despite the excellent work Pieter Groenewald is doing as minister of correctional Services...in sharp contrast to the joke Steenhuizen turned out to be...this country needs a firm hand, not a weak papsak like Steenbroek and Cupcake Ramaphosa...and it's never gonna happen.


PS, Pakie, in 1994, the DA was a less than 2% party...

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