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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,261 posts
14 Apr 2026, 12:44
#1
14 Apr 2026, 12:44#1

Trump is now threatening to block ships, including Chinese.

The population of China is 1.4 billion people with an average IQ of 105.

America has a population size of 0.35 billion, with an average IQ of 99. (MAGA pulls down the average IQ).

America has bullied small countries, but China can fight back



DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Apr 2026, 14:53
#2
14 Apr 2026, 14:53#2

Either everyone are allowed to use the strait, or nobody goes through...good ...Iran is doing this, not the USA.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
14 Apr 2026, 14:56
#3
14 Apr 2026, 14:56#3

"Iran is doing this, not the USA."


Oh right . . . and Bozo's unprovoked attack on Iran had nothing to do with it?


Talk about delusional!

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Apr 2026, 15:11
#4
14 Apr 2026, 15:11#4

Absolutely the right move….turning Iran’s blockade on them. I’m not sure why it took weeks to come up with this obvious strategy. Open the Straits, stop trying to build a bomb, stop torturing people in your jails and we’ll all live happily ever after.




MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Apr 2026, 15:32
#5
14 Apr 2026, 15:32#5

The S&P eliminates all the Iran war losses after the obvious move to blockade the Straits:


For I am a Pirate King!

And it is, it is a glorious thing

To be a Pirate King

I am a Pirate King!

You are!

Hurrah for the Pirate King!

And it is, it is a glorious thing

To be a Pirate King

It is!

Hurrah for the Pirate King!

Hurrah for the Pirate King!


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,261 posts
14 Apr 2026, 16:36
#6
14 Apr 2026, 16:36#6

Iran, like Venezuela, is about ensuring their oil gets traded in US dollars, and not Chinese.


The end goal is to undermine China, maintain America's role as the global reserve currency, and protect the petro-dollar.


China do not have the

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Apr 2026, 17:17
#7
14 Apr 2026, 17:17#7

The Dollar has demonstrated throughout the war that it’s unchallenged. Claiming the dollar was the motivation makes about as much sense as saying it was to preserve English as the global language.


TDS….but unfortunately for the Woke Set the scales are tilting back to the good guys, No issues for the two destroyers going through the Straits pointed out just how empty the Iran threats are.


The markets are scoring the war and they have turned positive,

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,261 posts
14 Apr 2026, 18:52
#8
14 Apr 2026, 18:52#8

Type this prompt into any AI Search Engine:


Trump said that his motives in Iran are to:

1. Prevent Iran from having a nuke

2. Help free the Iranian people who are victims of the current government. Wars often have underlying economic motives. What would Trump's most likely other motives be?


Here is an example:

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/trump-said-that-his-motives-in-Xpzna_pmSz.Krll7_pt3eg

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Apr 2026, 19:08
#9
14 Apr 2026, 19:08#9

Trump rarely leaves anything unsaid, I can’t recall ever hearing him even using the term ‘petrodollar’ …what a blast from the past that is. Your perplexity search gives possible motives not Trump motives.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,261 posts
14 Apr 2026, 19:26
#10
14 Apr 2026, 19:26#10

Insert that bolded prompt into any AI, and see what the response is.

Return with your results. Thanks for your attention to this matter


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Apr 2026, 19:51
#11
14 Apr 2026, 19:51#11

Since you ask so politely. Please note the Question I asked and the response CHAT gives in the post below. If you would be so kind, please point out where the petrodollar or the dollar itself was mentioned.


And if I could impose a little further, also acknowledge the result. Hoping you are having a wonderful day.



MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Apr 2026, 19:52
#12
14 Apr 2026, 19:52#12




Trump said that his motives in Iran are to: 1. Prevent Iran from having a nuke 2. Help free the Iranian people who are victims of the current government. Wars often have underlying economic motives. What would Trump's most likely other motives be?



Your two listed motives (nuclear prevention and “freeing the Iranian people”) are indeed the public-facing justifications. But based on what officials have said and how analysts interpret the policy, there are several additional, more strategic motives that are widely discussed.

I’ll separate these into well-supported strategic motives vs more debated/controversial interpretations.

1) Core additional strategic motives (widely supported)

(a) Destroy Iran’s military and regional power

This is actually one of the clearest stated goals:

  1. The administration explicitly aimed to:
  2. destroy Iran’s missile program
  3. cripple its navy
  4. weaken its ability to support proxies (Hezbollah, etc.)

?? This goes beyond nuclear weapons—it's about reducing Iran as a regional military power.

(b) Protect allies (especially Israel and Gulf states)

  1. U.S. officials repeatedly framed Iran as a threat to:
  2. Israel
  3. Gulf states
  4. U.S. bases in the region

?? This is a classic geopolitical motive:

Maintain U.S.-aligned regional balance of power

(c) Control escalation before it happens (preemption)

Some justification was:

  1. Iran might retaliate against U.S. forces after Israeli strikes
  2. So the U.S. acted preemptively

?? This is less about immediate war and more about:

Shaping the battlefield before Iran can act

(d) Secure global energy flows (Strait of Hormuz)

Recent events make this very relevant:

  1. The U.S. enforced a naval blockade in a region handling:
  2. ~20% of global oil flows

There were also discussions about:

  1. controlling or securing the Strait of Hormuz

?? That points to a clear economic/geostrategic motive:

Prevent Iran from disrupting global oil supply (and prices)
2) Broader geopolitical motives (commonly inferred)

(e) Regime change (implicit or explicit)

Even if not always emphasized publicly:

  1. Trump at times encouraged Iranians to “take over your government”
  2. Analysts list regime change as one of the war aims

?? This aligns with your second stated motive—but in practice it means:

Replace the current regime with one more aligned to U.S. interests

(f) Reduce Iranian influence across the region

Iran’s influence spans:

  1. Lebanon (Hezbollah)
  2. Iraq
  3. Syria
  4. Yemen

Weakening Iran reduces:

  1. its proxy network
  2. its regional leverage

?? This is a classic great-power goal:

Roll back a rival sphere of influence
3) Economic motives (more indirect but real)

These are not usually stated openly but are widely discussed:

(g) Energy market leverage

  1. Conflict in the Gulf directly impacts:
  2. oil prices
  3. shipping routes
  4. Control or stability in this region gives:
  5. global economic leverage

?? Not “seizing oil” in a simple sense—but:

controlling the conditions under which oil flows

(h) Sanctions and economic pressure strategy

Military action strengthens:

  1. bargaining position in negotiations
  2. ability to impose sanctions terms

?? This links war to:

forcing economic concessions from Iran
4) More controversial / debated interpretations

These are discussed but less universally accepted:

(i) Domestic political motives

Some critics argue:

  1. War may help:
  2. shift attention from domestic issues
  3. boost political standing

This view is explicitly raised by critics in reporting

(j) Alignment with Israeli strategy

Some analysts suggest:

  1. U.S. action was partly driven by:
  2. Israel’s desire to strike Iran
  3. alignment of strategic goals
5) Pulling it together

Your two stated motives:

  1. Stop nuclear weapons
  2. Help Iranian people

Add the most likely additional motives:

Strategic (most important):

  1. Destroy Iran’s military capabilities
  2. Protect allies (Israel, Gulf states)
  3. Maintain regional balance of power
  4. Secure energy routes (Hormuz)

Geopolitical:

  1. Reduce Iran’s regional influence
  2. Potentially enable regime change

Economic/strategic:

  1. Influence global energy markets
  2. Strengthen leverage in negotiations
Bottom line
The most likely underlying motive isn’t a single hidden factor like “oil,” but a combination of security, geopolitical, and economic interests centered on limiting Iran’s power and influence in a strategically critical region.

If you want, I can rank these by which ones are most consistent with actual U.S. behavior vs rhetoric—that often gives a clearer “true priorities” picture.








MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Apr 2026, 20:19
#13
14 Apr 2026, 20:19#13

Off for a bit of golf…catch your acknowledgement later?

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,261 posts
14 Apr 2026, 20:39
#14
14 Apr 2026, 20:39#14

Perplexity searches before creating a response, making it more current than ChatGPT.

So append this to the end of the prompt, "Do an internet search", which forces ChatGPT to get current information before responding.


Here is ChatGPT's Response below

https://chatgpt.com/share/69de88a1-4b0c-832c-bf99-d574deadbcdb


Stated vs. inferred motives

Publicly, Donald Trump has framed his actions around:

  1. Preventing nuclear weapons
  2. Supporting the Iranian population

However, current reporting and geopolitical analysis suggest a broader set of likely underlying strategic, economic, and political drivers.

Below is a structured, evidence-based breakdown.


Geopolitical power and regional dominance

One of the clearest non-stated motives is reasserting U.S. dominance in the Middle East.

  1. The U.S. has demanded Iran abandon not just nuclear enrichment, but also missile programmes and regional influence
  2. Weakening Iran reduces its role as a counterweight to U.S. allies (e.g. Israel, Gulf states)

There is also a great-power competition angle:

  1. Actions like controlling key routes signal power to rivals such as China and Russia

Interpretation:

This aligns with a long-standing U.S. objective: limiting rival regional powers and maintaining strategic influence over global chokepoints.


Control of oil routes and energy leverage

Energy is not always the explicit justification—but it is structurally central.

  1. The Strait of Hormuz carries roughly 20–25% of global oil supply
  2. U.S. actions (e.g. blockades) directly impact oil flows and pricing

Some analyses suggest:

  1. Reducing Iran’s role could remove a geopolitical “risk premium” on oil prices
  2. Disruptions may benefit other producers, including Western exporters

Interpretation:

Rather than “taking oil,” the more realistic motive is controlling supply dynamics and global pricing influence.


Domestic economic and market considerations

Trump’s decisions appear partially influenced by financial markets and economic optics:

  1. Analysts note he may change strategy if markets fall significantly
  2. Oil shocks affect inflation, borrowing costs, and voter sentiment

Interpretation:

The conflict intersects with:

  1. Inflation control
  2. Interest rates
  3. U.S. economic performance

These are critical for political positioning, especially in election cycles.

Political positioning and leadership optics

There is strong evidence of domestic political signalling:

  1. Aggressive foreign policy can project strength to voters
  2. Unpredictability (“madman theory”) is used as a negotiation tactic

At the same time:

  1. Shifting justifications suggest messaging is adaptable rather than fixed

Interpretation:

Foreign policy here doubles as political branding and leverage, not just strategy.


Regime change (implicit but widely discussed)

While not always explicitly stated, multiple analyses point to:

  1. Weakening or replacing Iran’s current government
  2. Reducing its military and ideological influence

Some geopolitical commentary frames this as:

  1. Creating conditions for internal change or external pressure

Interpretation:

“Helping the Iranian people” can function as a soft framing of regime-change objectives.


Industrial and defence-sector incentives

Wars often stimulate:

  1. Defence spending
  2. Military-industrial activity

While not always directly stated, this is a structural factor in most conflicts.


Strategic summary (most likely combined motive stack)

From a data-driven perspective, the most plausible underlying motives are multi-layered, not singular:

  1. Geopolitical dominance (primary)
  2. Energy market influence (structural, indirect)
  3. Domestic economic stability & market optics
  4. Political signalling and leadership image
  5. Potential regime change outcomes


Key insight

The evidence suggests this is not primarily about oil extraction, but rather:

Control of systems (energy flows, geopolitics, markets) rather than ownership of resources.

That distinction is critical when analysing modern conflicts.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Apr 2026, 01:27
#15
15 Apr 2026, 01:27#15

Classical I do exactly what you asked. You then point out Chat has a data cut off point, something I first mentioned on the Board, you change the search you asked me to do. But there still is no mention of the dollar.


What’s your major malfunction?

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,261 posts
15 Apr 2026, 02:01
#16
15 Apr 2026, 02:01#16

It is about oil - and trading in dollars. That is what the Petro-dollar is. It also helps keep the US as the reserve currecny.


I have used ChatGPT search since if first came out (initially it never had an internet connection).

I just mentioned to add do an internet search to be sure, sometimes it understands the context like timeframe and does this automatically.


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
15 Apr 2026, 03:53
#17
15 Apr 2026, 03:53#17

Tiny feet and tiny hands,

tiny brain that understands

little of the world it sees,

changing with the slightest breeze.

Toddler-taming will not work

with this stupid, childish jerk,

ignorance that’s made up for

by the instruments of war.

Macho posturing will not

hide the fact he’s lost the plot,

leaving just an empty shell

pounding on the gates of hell.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,261 posts
15 Apr 2026, 11:49
#18
15 Apr 2026, 11:49#18

Fear not, God will intervene.


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,261 posts
15 Apr 2026, 11:50
#19
15 Apr 2026, 11:50#19

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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,261 posts
15 Apr 2026, 11:55
#20
15 Apr 2026, 11:55#20

Real Christians were offended by Trump portraying himself as Jesus - but not the fake Christians.

The fake Christians thought it was fantastic.





DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 Apr 2026, 13:21
#21
15 Apr 2026, 13:21#21

Atheists are now experts on who's Christians, what offends them and who are fake and who are not... bizarre...so Shark, does real Christians believe in the real Jesus and fake Christians in some or other fake Jesus?...from your atheist perspective?...or does real Christians believe in cheap petrol?

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
15 Apr 2026, 13:24
#22
15 Apr 2026, 13:24#22

Whoooosh!

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,261 posts
15 Apr 2026, 14:35
#23
15 Apr 2026, 14:35#23

Real Christians believe in the liberal teachings of Jesus Christ. Fake Christians are just an association of convenience for self-preservation.


Draad, I herby cast you out to the heathen.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Apr 2026, 16:20
#24
15 Apr 2026, 16:20#24

Ayatolla

19,835 posts

Apr 15, 2026, 11:49



Fear not, God will intervene.

……


Not your’s apparently


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,261 posts
15 Apr 2026, 17:36
#25
15 Apr 2026, 17:36#25

If God led Moses to the Promised Land, in the Bible, the Koran and the Tanakh - how can we be sure who God's chosen people are? Other than having war, whoever wins is God's chosen people?

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Apr 2026, 19:37
#26
15 Apr 2026, 19:37#26

You could use IQs…try Israel vs Iran. I mean that’s your test isn’t it. The chosen people would surely have been given the advanced brain option. Or maybe we could just look at their tech companies.


Israel:



  1. Wiz: Leading cloud security unicorn acquired by Google for $32B in 2025.
  2. CyberArk: Top enterprise security company.
  3. Mobileye: A pioneer in autonomous driving technology (acquired by Intel).
  4. Monday.com: Popular visual project management and productivity platform.
  5. Check Point Software Technologies: A veteran in IT security and cybersecurity.
  6. NICE Systems: Specializes in AI-driven customer experience and enterprise software.
  7. AppsFlyer: Top-ranked unicorn in marketing analytics.
  8. Gett: Known for its ride-hailing and transportation services.
  9. OrCam: Develops AI-based assistive technology for the visually impaired.
  10. SolarEdge: Offers smart energy solutions and solar inverters.
  11. Built In


Iran Tech companies


  1. Fillip Communication Agency: Based in Tehran, specializing in digital advertising and marketing.
  2. Pixamo Creative Agency: Focuses on creative web design, boasting 90+ projects.
  3. Webshik: A Tehran-based firm offering web design, SEO, and website support services.


So two web design companies and an internet advertising agency.


Case closed?

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 Apr 2026, 19:38
#27
15 Apr 2026, 19:38#27

"Real Christians believe in the liberal teachings of Jesus Christ. Fake Christians are just an association of convenience for self-preservation.


Draad, I herby cast you out to the heathen."


Nah, it's a narrow path, nothing convenient about it, but once you know, there is no other way, you're compelled...there is no such thing as a fake Christian...you either are or you ain't...these days there's no need or advantage to be gained pretending to be being one...only ridicule and condemnation for following the Path...it is what it is.




DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 Apr 2026, 19:40
#28
15 Apr 2026, 19:40#28

"Whoooosh"



Yes, I know it's far above your comprehension...I almost had hope ....

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
16 Apr 2026, 05:20
#29
16 Apr 2026, 05:20#29

Nah, it's a narrow path, nothing convenient about it, but once you know, there is no other way, you're compelled...there is no such thing as a fake Christian...you either are or you ain't...these days there's no need or advantage to be gained pretending to be being one...only ridicule and condemnation for following the Path...it is what it is.



What a world, a liberal world...As a reminder, jesus came on earth to establish a community of people: the church, a community in spirit (and not a community in material as quite often today it is claimed)


The path can not be walked alone, it is a collective path to follow. And the bible warns a lot about people who stray from the path and calls for action against people who keep telling they are and act as christians as they are not. Claiming there is no such a thing like fake christians is claiming that the devil does not exist.


Liberalised speech: liberals speak with no consequences, just because the sound of their words is sweet music to their ears on the moment.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
16 Apr 2026, 05:22
#30
16 Apr 2026, 05:22#30

The chosen people would surely have been given the advanced brain option. Or maybe we could just look at their tech companies.


What a statement, what a statement.


It is understood that liberals can not bear being asked questions and must flee from them.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
16 Apr 2026, 05:30
#31
16 Apr 2026, 05:30#31

Atheists are now experts on who's Christians, what offends them and who are fake and who are not... bizarre...so Shark, does real Christians believe in the real Jesus and fake Christians in some or other fake Jesus?...from your atheist perspective?...or does real Christians believe in cheap petrol?



Even that liberal con artist Richard Dawkins was forced to admit he is a cultural christian.


Ultimately, the final test for christians is salvation: people who will be saved will be christians, the other will be not.


In the meantime, deviation from a course of faith is well described in the bible that calls to take measure against it. This liberal comment amounts to say that only christians can say they are christians, it is a very disturbing comment as followers of christ want to be acknowledged as christians by other people so they can spread the good news, the gospel of christ. That is one of the first priorities of christians when they interact with other poople: being acknowledged as christians. Therefore other people must be able to state this or that one is a christian.


Again, another example of liberalised speech: words are used because they sound sweet music.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
16 Apr 2026, 06:30
#32
16 Apr 2026, 06:30#32

Nonsense...the view from outside, looking in, is too destorted to be able to understand without the missing ingredient...nothing about Christianity can truly be understood without the Holy Spirit... Christians can't be Christians without it...and it cannot be faked... your posts show that you are ignorant of this crucial fact.

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