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The WSJ reports 14 of 15 points presented to Iran

Started by Mozart85 REPLIES958 VIEWS· 25 Mar 2026, 15:49
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Mar 2026, 15:49
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25 Mar 2026, 15:49#1

The outlet reported 14 of 15 demands conveyed to Iran:

  1. Iran must dismantle existing nuclear capabilities.
  2. Iran must commit never to pursue nuclear weapons.
  3. No uranium enrichment on Iranian territory.
  4. Iran must hand its stockpile of enriched uranium to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).
  5. The Natanz, Isfahan and Fordo nuclear facilities must be dismantled.
  6. The IAEA must be granted full access to Iran’s nuclear facilities.
  7. Iran must abandon its “regional proxy paradigm.”
  8. Iran must cease funding, directing and arming its proxies.
  9. The Strait of Hormuz must remain open.
  10. Iran’s missile program must be limited in both range and quantity.
  11. Iran must limit its use of missiles to self-defense.

Iran would benefit from:

  1. The end of sanctions imposed by the international community.
  2. US assistance to advance its civilian nuclear program.
  3. A “snapback” mechanism allowing for the automatic reimposition of sanctions if Iran fails to comply would be removed.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Mar 2026, 15:59
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25 Mar 2026, 15:59#2

If accepted this would certainly be a major step forward and I heard on one channel that Iran’s Speaker is involved in these discussions, That provides significant constitutional credibility in a government breakdown situation.


But the military spokesmen are still making hostile threats and the Speaker has also made provocative comments, perhaps dealing with his own internal pressures.


So it’s possible Iran could in effect be dealing with a military coup attempt at some point, which would mean an internal military solution might still be required…but with much more likely support from other countries and from pro government internal forces.


Ask yourself how this would feel (assuming it happened) if the rebel group had control of nukes with sufficient range to reach London and Paris. Exactly the reason why rogue countries should not have nuclear weapons

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Mar 2026, 16:29
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25 Mar 2026, 16:29#3

Despite all the site stories about negotiation it seems that Paistan is co-ordinatin g t he negotiations and th e pressure of most Muslim countries support the above negotiation initiative, I am not sure what the result would be - but the fact is the Gaza ceasefire and future as negoitiated is on track.


As far as aI can make up - nobody knows who really is in ch arge in Iran at present, It is going to be interesting who will represent Iran at the Islamabad negotiations - and whether the Iran representaties have any power at all to negotiate an acceptable agreement.


A further uncertainty is the foreign proxies of Iran and their funding , That may even touch on Iran own domestic policies as to human rights. No more murder of protestors like happened whenever protests erupts in Iran.


S o desoite he idiocy on site we may see a real peoce initiative coming out,


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sharkbokCaptain23,261 posts
25 Mar 2026, 18:14
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25 Mar 2026, 18:14#4

Iran already rejected that immediately, They also denied any negotiations before that - other than the Truth Social posts of Trump


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
25 Mar 2026, 18:27
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25 Mar 2026, 18:27#5

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Mar 2026, 18:46
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25 Mar 2026, 18:46#6

So Shark you really believe Trump, Rubio and all the other US officials are simply lying….knowing full well in a few days that will be exposed.

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sharkbokCaptain23,261 posts
25 Mar 2026, 18:50
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25 Mar 2026, 18:50#7

Yes, I do believe they are lying. They have already been exposed. However, it is just Trump taking a dump on Truth Social, and his sycophantic toadies like Vance just have to play along.


I see Trump has just sent MAGA boots on the ground. So America is back into another costly war.

Iran is a horrible place to have a land war; it is so mountainous.


At least we will get another Netflix war hero movie. Saving Private Mohammed: The Liberation of Iranian Oil.


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sharkbokCaptain23,261 posts
25 Mar 2026, 19:56
#8
25 Mar 2026, 19:56#8

I wonder what the missing 15th point was. Probably giving control of the Strait to Trump's family business.


Trump is basically Putin, but with more firepower. Trump and Putin appear to be very good friends (or comrades). I would not be surprised if they are in league, jointly planning both operations in Ukraine and Iran.


Like Putin, Trump has offered a peace plan that Iran can't accept. That means MAGA boots on the ground.


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
25 Mar 2026, 21:06
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25 Mar 2026, 21:06#9

I've been hearing some reports that Iran is willing to give up it's nuclear program but it's setting a very high price for it.


End of the war obviously but also the end of Israel's operation in Lebanon, official recognition that Iran controls the Straight of Hormuz, that are paid reparations and the US must remove it's entire military presence from the Gulf.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
25 Mar 2026, 22:03
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25 Mar 2026, 22:03#10

feelings

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
25 Mar 2026, 22:14
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25 Mar 2026, 22:14#11

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
26 Mar 2026, 00:24
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26 Mar 2026, 00:24#12

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
26 Mar 2026, 04:39
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26 Mar 2026, 04:39#13

So Shark you really believe Trump, Rubio and all the other US officials are simply lying….knowing full well in a few days that will be exposed.



Stated many times already: liberals share one common point with fascists: they have respect for nothing but power.


A common occurrence: liberals drop statements with nothing to back them up and expect them to be widely accepted.


Nothing on the way on how to reach the conclusion Trump has not been lying. Nothing on it.


On the other side, getting to the conclusion Trump has been lying is straightforward.


End of the war obviously but also the end of Israel's operation in Lebanon, official recognition that Iran controls the Straight of Hormuz, that are paid reparations and the US must remove it's entire military presence from the Gulf.


So no negotiation. Iran tells it is not negotiating. Which it does. When both sides drop demands on each other, it is the sign of an absence of a negotiated solution. And since Iran's demands came in reaction to the US demands...


Trump declared there were ongoing negotiations going super well and what emerged revealed the absence of negotiation. The US dropped their demands on Iran. No negotiation.



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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
26 Mar 2026, 04:55
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26 Mar 2026, 04:55#14

This crisis has clarified many things.


Globalisation is largely beneficial to the US: they have triggered a global crisis and others are absorbing the cost for the US. The US have not been suffering much while others have taken the full blunt.


Parts of the world, countries that are toasted are also revealed in plain light.


Japan: too deep in US debt scheme to dissociate, been humiliated by the US, and now coerced to tour the world to panhandle energy supply.


European countries: they traded a cheap energy supplier willing to use energy supply as leverage for an expensive energy supplier willing to use energy supply as leverage as the US have threatened the EU to cut European countries energy supply off if they do not submit. And this, in a crisis the US have triggered. The US are using the vulnerable european state the US have forced to kick European countries in the teeth. Very funny.


On the other hand, Iran has declared they re open the strait to non hostile ships, which means that hostile ships are the cause of the global crisis, which points fingers at the US and liberal Israel as the cause. Which provides a clear view on actors that can act according to that fact. Europe and Japan can not.


It is clear, thanks to Donald Trump.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Mar 2026, 06:37
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26 Mar 2026, 06:37#15

"I've been hearing some reports that Iran is willing to give up it's nuclear program but it's setting a very high price for it.


End of the war obviously but also the end of Israel's operation in Lebanon, official recognition that Iran controls the Straight of Hormuz, that are paid reparations and the US must remove it's entire military presence from the Gulf"


TLDR; Keep bombing the IRGC for another month or two.


Fun fact - Iran have one of the highest average IQs in the world - 106

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Mar 2026, 08:46
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26 Mar 2026, 08:46#16

Plum


How dare you put that on site. You are insulting the 60 IQ of SB - who might have had a better mark until he lost his thinking ability as a result of brainwashing. Difficult because they did not wipe out the shit his brain used to operate - it aggraavated it,



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Mar 2026, 15:33
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26 Mar 2026, 15:33#17

Iran, Cuba, Venezuela all countries that could be prospering with smart citizens…..hijacked by 19th century style dictators.And because of their balmy anti Trump sentiment, the Woke set are lined up with the dictators against their own people. And yet they despise Christianity as a fairy tale. Totally confused puppies,

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
26 Mar 2026, 15:54
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26 Mar 2026, 15:54#18

Iran, Cuba, Venezuela all countries that could be prospering with smart citizens…..hijacked by 19th century style dictators.And because of their balmy anti Trump sentiment, the Woke set are lined up with the dictators against their own people. And yet they despise Christianity as a fairy tale. Totally confused puppies,


Ah yes we are lining up behind dictators that's exactly what we are doing. We love dictators, besides if you're anti Trump that means you must be pro dictators...like the way we all support Putin right? It must be great not having to think for yourself, being told by your side what the other side believes and never actually have to listen to the other side says. Zero critical thinking or mental effort required.


I also still love the fact that you lot are denial about Trump leaving the Venezuela regime in power, just with a new leader.


The reports coming out of Venezuela are that if anything oppression of the people has increased.


Yet we are the confused puppies...gee i wonder how the MAGA supporters who voted for him on his no more wars pledge are feeling right now.


But hey thank god the US didn't vote Kamala right...things would be so much worse by now.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Mar 2026, 16:04
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26 Mar 2026, 16:04#19

We love dictators, besides if you're anti Trump that means you must be pro dictators...like the way we all support Putin righ


‘’But Trump was trying to make a deal with Putin, so you were automatically anti Putin. To find the Woke position ….figure out where Trump is…then regardless of any common sense or morality define the opposite position and that’s where you and the Woke set are. Mindless dislike.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Mar 2026, 16:09
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26 Mar 2026, 16:09#20

Yet we are the confused puppies...gee i wonder how the MAGA supporters who voted for him on his no more wars pledge are feeling right now.



Surveys shows 90% of Maga supporters support the war, there, now you don’t need to wonder

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
26 Mar 2026, 16:43
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26 Mar 2026, 16:43#21

But hey thank god the US didn't vote Kamala right...things would be so much worse by now.

We all know that you would have taken her instead of Trump....and Harris would have told Putin that it was a really bad thing that he did with Ukraine ..... she would have really given it to him.

But Trump was trying to make a deal with Putin, so you were automatically anti Putin. To find the Woke position ….figure out where Trump is…then regardless of any common sense or morality define the opposite position and that’s where you and the Woke set are. Mindless dislike

Pretty much a spot on assessment of some posters on here

Surveys shows 90% of Maga supporters support the war, there, now you don’t need to wonder

Lol..... ouch

And... if you really want to get to the specifics.... 5 separate indpendent polls on this topic have it at a combined 86.8% MAGA supporters in support of the war.

I guess no more wondering Stav

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
26 Mar 2026, 17:38
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26 Mar 2026, 17:38#22

But Trump was trying to make a deal with Putin, so you were automatically anti Putin. To find the Woke position ….figure out where Trump is…then regardless of any common sense or morality define the opposite position and that’s where you and the Woke set are. Mindless dislike.


What absolute drivel, I was anti Putin from day 1 of the invasion. I was anti Trump-Putin's negotiations because Trump was trying to force a terrible deal onto Ukraine. But I guess by supporting those negations I can simply label you pro-Putin right?


Regardless of common sense or morality, switch off your brain and just call any criticism of Trump woke...because it's just so lazy and easy to do so. No critical thinking required.


Surveys shows 90% of Maga supporters support the war, there, now you don’t need to wonder


Maybe they are. Shows you just how little they have in the way of principals.


We all know that you would have taken her instead of Trump....and Harris would have told Putin that it was a really bad thing that he did with Ukraine ..... she would have really given it to him.


She wouldn't have cut support to Ukraine, wouldn't have tried to force Ukraine into taking a terrible deal. and she wouldn't have started this stupid war with Iran.


Lol..... ouch

And... if you really want to get to the specifics.... 5 separate indpendent polls on this topic have it at a combined 86.8% MAGA supporters in support of the war.

I guess no more wondering Stav


Ouch..not really


5 Separate polls you say.

Here is the percentage of republicans in favour of the war


Pew = 70-75%

Reuters/Ipos = 65-75%

AP-NORC = 60-65%

Quinnipaic = 60-68%

Fox News Poll= 70%


Now tell me where the Democrat and Independents are at.



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Mar 2026, 18:03
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26 Mar 2026, 18:03#23

Regardless of common sense or morality, switch off your brain and just call automatic criticism of Trump woke...because it's just so true. No critical thinking in sight..


Maybe they are. Shows you just how little they have in the way of principles……diversion



5 Separate polls you say.

Here is the percentage of republicans in favour of the war


Oh dear you think Republicans=MAGA….educate yourself man, improve your sources of information.




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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
26 Mar 2026, 19:50
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26 Mar 2026, 19:50#24

Oh dear you think Republicans=MAGA….educate yourself man, improve your sources of information.



Oh so your telling me you have 5 polls/surveys that where able to divide people between normal republicans and MAGA and those show that between 86.8% to 90% of people who call themselves MAGA are in favour of the war.


Would you be chance happen to be able to produce these polls/surveys?

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Mar 2026, 21:42
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26 Mar 2026, 21:42#25

Er nice deflection attempt. You were responding to DA’s post on MAGA with total Republican numbers. You clearly didn’t know the difference..


MAGA or not, the majority of Trump supporters back strikes in Iran

Share of Americans, split by whether they self-identify as MAGA or non-MAGA Republicans, who support or oppose the joint U.S.-Israel military strikes on Iran, the killing of Iran's supreme leader and the targeting of Iranian military, nuclear and government sites.



MAGA

81%

10%

7%

Non-MAGA

61%

16%

19%

5%

Overall

43%

18%

33%

5%

The poll was conducted by Public First from Mar. 13 to 18, surveying 3,851 U.S. adults online. Results were weighted by age, race, gender, geography and educational attainment. The overall margin of sampling error is ±1.6 percentage points. Smaller subgroups have higher margins of error.

Source: The POLITICO Poll with Public FirstAnna Wiederkehr/POLITICO


……


So in this poll only 7% of MAGA respondents disapproved of the war vs 19% for Republicans as a whole. You were confusing Republican support for MAGA support





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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
26 Mar 2026, 22:00
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26 Mar 2026, 22:00#26

Republican=MAGA is about as naive and shortsighted as anti-Bozo=Woke.


I'm the most anti-Bozo person I know and also the most anti-Woke.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Mar 2026, 22:12
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26 Mar 2026, 22:12#27


Views of Trump remain central to all this. For most Americans, approval of the war and how it's going is closely tied to whether they have confidence in him or not


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Mar 2026, 22:12
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26 Mar 2026, 22:12#28

I trust you are satisfied now Anger?

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
26 Mar 2026, 22:34
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26 Mar 2026, 22:34#29

How do they determine whether a Republican is MAGA or not?


If you're Republican or a Republican supporter then you're dumb enough to vote for Bozo. No more need be said.

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
26 Mar 2026, 23:17
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26 Mar 2026, 23:17#30

Moz, honestly being anti-Trump does not automatically mean anyone is pro-Putin, pro-dictator, or “Woke.”


You say Iran, Cuba, Venezuela are “hijacked by 19th-century dictators” and Trump is not a dictator from the 20th-century??


So People can criticize Trump without supporting dictators anywhere. That’s just basic logic.


Is your “90% MAGA supporters support the war” numbers correct??


This is what ChatGPT says :


- Reuters/Ipsos: 55% of republicans approved the war. Only 27% of all Americans approved.


- AP-NORC: 70% of republicans approved the war. Only 20% of all Americans approved.


- Quinnipiac University: 70% of republicans approved the war. 53% of all voters say USA military action makes the world unsafe.


- CNN/SSRS national polls: 69% republicans approved the war. 59% of all Americans are against the war.


And I strongly wonder who's brain is off when it comes to criticism of Trump. All I am seeing is MAGA supporters on this forum blindly following like sheep to the slaughter...Sounds more like: Heil dem Führer. Who is really the “confused puppies” I wonder?


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Death by chocolateRookie41 posts
27 Mar 2026, 00:05
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27 Mar 2026, 00:05#31

Even if today the Iranians agreed to dismantle all it's nuclear facilities and today they gave up all it's enriched uranium....what is stopping them from purchasing a nuclear weapon off another bad actor like North Korea tomorrow ?


If you were creating a spy thriller along these lines how would it go?

.

...Arman’s pulse quickened. For years, his nation had been forced to dismantle its reactors, shutter its research labs, and sign treaty after treaty until even the idea of nuclear ambition had become taboo. But now—now the balance could shift.

Now the bully could bleed.

But beneath the surge of vindication, a sliver of doubt twisted in his gut. Once a weapon like this was unleashed, there would be no turning back. No plausible deniability. No mercy.


Chapter One — The Quiet Ashes

The capital city had forgotten how to raise its voice.

Once, its streets had thundered with parades of scientific pride—white?coated engineers marching beneath banners promising a future powered by the atom. Now those same streets lay muted, patrolled by foreign drones that hummed like mechanical hornets overhead. The people walked with their shoulders tucked inward, as if afraid the sky itself might reprimand them.


Minister Arman Dastani watched from his office window as another drone traced a lazy arc over the Ministry of Energy. Its metallic shell caught the morning sun, flashing like a warning. He felt the familiar burn in his chest—anger, humiliation, and something darker that he refused to name.


His country had been forced to kneel. The superpower across the ocean had made sure of that.

They had called it a “non?negotiable security measure.” They had called it “maintaining global stability.” They had called it many things, but Arman knew the truth: it was punishment. A message to the world about what happened to nations that dared to dream beyond their assigned place.


A soft chime sounded from his desk

The secure line...

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Mar 2026, 00:10
#32
27 Mar 2026, 00:10#32

. Who is really the “confused puppies” I wonder?


I can confirm you are M…..


.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Mar 2026, 02:52
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27 Mar 2026, 02:52#33

Howzit Card!

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
27 Mar 2026, 03:02
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27 Mar 2026, 03:02#34

Ok Moz, let me get this straight...you call me confused, but yet you haven’t answered a single point.


You don't list any positives about this war.

So what are the actual benefits of this war??


What we already have from this Illegal and unprovoked war:


- civilian deaths

- rising oil prices

- global economic impact

- long-term instability

- billions are spend on war instead of

actually Making America Great Again

- Analyst all agree that this War will not

remove the Iranian System


So what exactly is the upside??

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
27 Mar 2026, 03:20
#35
27 Mar 2026, 03:20#35

Moz, honestly being anti-Trump does not automatically mean anyone is pro-Putin, pro-dictator, or “Woke.”

Agreed. I'm anti-Trump as well as anti-woke, and to labor the point, I hold some strong conservative values.


Moz, I wish you would go back to being the Mozart I once knew.


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Mar 2026, 05:39
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27 Mar 2026, 05:39#36

...are you sure he's the only one who have changed?

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
27 Mar 2026, 08:09
#37
27 Mar 2026, 08:09#37

Er nice deflection attempt. You were responding to DA’s post on MAGA with total Republican numbers. You clearly didn’t know the difference..

Absolutely spot on..... I very clearly and specifically referenced "MAGA" in my post.... because I know the difference

...are you sure he's the only one who have changed?

Yeah, some introspection needed here

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Mar 2026, 15:39
#38
27 Mar 2026, 15:39#38

This from another string but it’s relevant here:


MozartHall Of Famer

49,013 posts

Mar 27, 2026, 15:23



Given how little support Trump has for this mission, both among the insular American public and the feckless Europeans, I don’t believe he will press for regime change. But that would be a right result. Remove these radicals whose fondest wish is an atomic bomb hitting New York.


For almost 50 years the world has tolerated a dysfunctional ME, wars, beheadings, torture of civilians, rigged elections….and pretended it wasn’t happening. The prospects for the Palestinians would improve instantly if their fate wasn’t linked to Iranian Islamic radicals and the whole region would enjoy a revival. Iran itself, a nation of talented people would emerge from the Middle Ages.


The world should be supporting the brave Iranian kids who went out there and protested, and died, up to 36500 of them.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Mar 2026, 15:47
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27 Mar 2026, 15:47#39

We shouldn’t be whining about the price of oil when kids are out there dying for principles. And I can assure you anybody with a significant portion of their wealth in stocks has suffered a higher percentage hit to their net worth than those complaining about gasoline. Sometimes it takes some sacrifice.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
27 Mar 2026, 16:00
#40
27 Mar 2026, 16:00#40

This from another string but it’s relevant here:


It was bollocks the first time you posted it...and it's still bollocks the second time.


We shouldn’t be whining about the price of oil when kids are out there dying for principles. And I can assure you anybody with a significant portion of their wealth in stocks has suffered a higher percentage hit to their net worth than those complaining about gasoline. Sometimes it takes some sacrifice.


The only principle they are dying for is the stupidity of Donald Trump.


You still just don't get it do you....the people who have significant portions of their wealth in stock are not in the same boat as regular people complaining about gasoline. They lose $10 million in stocks its a tough pill to swallow as they console themselves with the other $50 million in their bank account, while for the average Joe on the breadline it could mean he can no longer afford to put gasoline in the car to get to work. The sacrifice's are not equivalent. Are you sure you aren't the reincarnated Mary Antoniette?

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