Of course you are missing the point, I'm not saying they can't legally own a gun, what I'm saying is that a motivating factor (not the sole factor) for some to become police is that it will increase the opportunity and likelihood that the will legally be able to shoot someone in the line of dut
I thought we had debunked that argument. Do you have any studies or reports that supports the conclusion that officers join the force because they want to shoot other humans?
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I’m the Mayor of Minneapolis. Trump Is Lying to You.Jan. 8, 2026
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By Jacob Frey
Mr. Frey is the mayor of Minneapolis.
On Aug. 1, 2007, the Interstate 35W bridge spanning the Mississippi River in Minneapolis collapsed into the water during rush hour. Thirteen people died, and dozens more were injured.
In the immediate aftermath, the president, a Republican, showed up in a city full of Democrats ready to help.
Minneapolis leaders were passionate and vocal critics of President George W. Bush’s policies at the time. But when the crisis struck, it didn’t matter. We were partners in what mattered most: saving lives, steadying our community and rebuilding infrastructure. Cities could count on the administration in a crisis. Politics stopped, quite literally, at the water’s edge.
Blue cities like Minneapolis used to be able to count on good-faith partnerships with the federal government under both Republican and Democratic administrations. Under the Biden administration, our police officers worked with federal agents and the U.S. attorney’s office to bring down shooting rates in North Minneapolis. The effort wasn’t political — it was practical, and it continues to keep people safe.
But such partnerships, in both crisis and ordinary governance, are not the experience of big-city Democratic mayors under the Trump administrations. I learned that the hard way in 2020 during the civil unrest that came in the wake of George Floyd’s murder by a Minneapolis police officer. I’ll never forget the shock I felt when President Trump not only encouraged violence during the unrest, but denied federal approval for disaster relief.
On Wednesday, when I learned that a Minneapolis resident had been shot and killed by an Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent, I didn’t feel the shock in my gut that I felt over five years ago. Nothing about this was shocking. The chaos that ICE and the Trump administration have brought to Minneapolis made this tragedy sadly predictable. In mid-December, ICE agents were filmed dragging a pregnant woman through the street. Heavily armed agents have been deployed to arrest lone individuals in public libraries and malls. Even in the aftermath of this week’s shooting, ICE agents continued to spread chaos, apparently deploying chemical agents at a local public high school.
The actions of the ICE agents deployed to my city are dangerous, and now, even deadly. But that danger has been compounded by the administration’s claim that the victim committed an act of domestic terrorism. The Department of Homeland Security secretary, Kristi Noem, baselessly insisted the shooting was an act of self-defense. Mr. Trump falsely claimed that the victim, Renee Nicole Good, “behaved horribly” and “ran him over,” referring to the ICE agent. I’ve watched multiple videos, from multiple perspectives — it seems clear that Ms. Good, a mother of three, was trying to leave the scene, not attack an agent.
The Trump administration’s false narrative about this week’s shooting, and the demonization of the victim, are only part of a bigger lie. It wants the American public to believe that ICE’s heavily militarized crackdown across this country is an effort to keep cities like Minneapolis safe. It is not. It is about vilifying not just immigrants, but all who welcome them and their contributions to our communities. By defending the lie about this clearly avoidable shooting in Minneapolis and refusing to allow Minnesota officials to investigate the crime, the administration is sending a message to the entire country: If you show up for your immigrant neighbors, or even are simply present when those neighbors are taken, your rights will not be protected by the law and your life will be at risk.
Under both the first and second Trump administrations, the country has learned from watching Minneapolis that the federal government holds no regard for cities or the people who live in them. When coupled with this administration’s open contempt for democratic norms — indeed, our Constitution — this is a threat to the long-term endurance of our Republic.
I hope no more of my fellow mayors find their cities in this administration’s cross hairs. But for those who do, here is my advice: The best thing you can do is to build cities that work, and love those streets and those citizens above any ideology. By bringing down violent crime, Minneapolis has been able to successfully push back against those who have tried to portray our city as a postapocalyptic hellscape. By building housing and focusing on affordability, we have made our city a place that immigrants, transplants and native Minneapolitans can all call home. By supporting immigrant-owned small businesses, our city has become living proof that immigrants make our city and our nation stronger.
Cities are on the front lines of this dark hour in our national politics. But after we weather this moment — and we will weather it — it will be on us to light the way forward. The best way to convince the country that welcoming and lifting up immigrants is good for its communities is by proving it in our own cities.
Were were your outrage wben Ashli Babbitt were shot for climbing through a window?
...she wore a MAGA hat so she probably had it coming?
DbD ... you're shamefully pathetic.
I thought we had debunked that argument. Do you have any studies or reports that supports the conclusion that officers join the force because they want to shoot other humans?
As I stated before it's my opinion, from what I've seen of numerous America police shootings. I didn't state I had conclusive proof.
Were were your outrage wben Ashli Babbitt were shot for climbing through a window?
...she wore a MAGA hat so she probably had it coming?
We were too busy being stunned that Trump had triggered an attempted insurrection on January 6th and all the chaos and confusion that came about from it to notice what happened to one rioter.
I never heard of her till much later. From what I've seen her shooting was a lot more justifiable because she was involved in a clearly criminal offence. She was part of a mob that was aggressively trying to break through a barricade and had been warned repeatedly. The officer also only fired one shot that hit her in the shoulder which unfortunately still killed her.
If that was in Europe I don't think a police officer would of used a gun in that situation, they wouldn't have used warranted potential deadly force, I'd expect she'd be getting whacked by with a baton instead. Then again this situation would have never occurred in modern Europe in the first place because our mainstream political parties don't tend to have batshit leaders who incite such incidents
I have contributed to Police Widows and Orphans funds for 40 years. A lot more of them die every year trying to serve the public than demonstrators. They have dangerous jobs, in America any car they stop in the dark can have a man with a gun waiting for them.
We don’t need them until we do. When 9/11 happened people were leaping out of the buildings to their deaths. The lucky ones were escaping. But at the same time the firemen and policemen were going in. I doubt many of the talking heads would.
As for this latest incident. There are hundreds of these confrontations every week with ICE searching for illegals, sometimes criminal illegals. It’s hard to over estimate the abuse they are subject to in doing their jobs.
At some point that brew is going to result in a tragedy, like this time. There will be more if the rhetoric doesn’t become more measured.
I thought we had debunked that argument. Do you have any studies or reports that supports the conclusion that officers join the force because they want to shoot other humans?
It is very funny. Liberals do not measure the consequences of their words. This absence of argument is so incorrect by their own liberal standards. It is the negation of anything that founded liberalism.
Things that were taken for granted when liberalism started is now denied casually. There are no longer people looking for opportunities to abuse power.
Of course, liberals are tainted with an incredible ability for double standards. They will take a bit less easily that no studies show that men change their sex exclusively to peep on women in a rest room; Yet from this board, they take that hypothesis as granted. Liberals are hooked on power. They have nothing. Can anyone remember a moment in humanity past when a segment of the human population had so nothing?
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Look at the folowin g stats and tellme policing inm the USA are not in danger:-
These statistics are preliminary and can change as law enforcement agencies submit updates.
Officer Deaths by Year
Annual Felonious Death Total
YearDeaths202360202261202173202046Felonious Deaths Through August
YearDeaths2024 472023 442022 432021 502020 33Fact is he Dmocrats and their media supporters hate policing and encourages attacks on police - while they organize demontrations a gainst the police, In 2020 in the riots organized by th Democrats and n ded by t he DNC 46 people were murdered - 13 of those police officers and 1 200 police officers seriously injured by riopters using fire-arms and Molotov Cocktails provided to t he rioters on an organized basis, The same media who are now attacking thi incident in 2020 in 2020 enourageed the riots are now a ttacking Trump and the Police because of one incident.
The matter is that the Police had reason to shoot when they are endangered - so why not wait for the honest investigation that will be conducted as to the incident and if the police officers acted criminally they will be charged with murder. But on this site there are people not interested in fact - but only spreading hate propaganda,
"her shooting was a lot more justifiable because she was involved in a clearly criminal offence. She was part of a mob that was aggressively trying to break through a barricade and had been warned repeatedly."
Utter horse manure.
Blob, I don't know if you know this, but every last person here is able to type the following into a search engine if we wanted to;
"provide me the most left leaning article you can on (insert subject)"
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Wish South Africa was higher on that list.
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Shame on you ... good luck down that rabbit hole.
Actually that’s a very objective analysis. One of those cases where the law will likely come down in favor of the officer, but the lingering question is, was it proportional?
My initial reaction was that it was unnecessary ….this was just a typical Woke warrior, not a dangerous person. But the video that’s dishonestly not being shown creates a different impression. The car accelerates suddenly and the officer scrambles to get out of the way.
I still don’t think he had to shoot, but I can understand why in that instant he did. What ICE is doing is legal and the abuse they experience is at the heart of this tragedy.
Personally I don’t agree with all the deportations, but immigration has to be legal. A very decent woman working for me voluntarily went back to her native country to legalize her status. That’s been harder than she thought and I continued paying her . This woman has been in the US for years paying her way, she has children in college, to me that’s a different category.
But when you have a massive program like this there are going to be inequities. You can’t deal with 3 million exceptions.
It’s a sad business all round.
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The fact is the oman invovled was not ven from Minnesota 0 in ither words a membe of protest organizations used and supported by the Demopcratic Party fo protest and riot purposes.
The sole aim of these protests entail violence as well, It has hsppened in similar protests all over the USA.
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Awhat would have hamened if she hit him out of the way, reversed and ran him over a few times?...no reasonable person starts driving towards a cop pointing a gun at them after being told to stop and get out of the car...I would not have shot her if I was in the cops shoes, but something have to be done about people with a disregard for the law and the entitlement to think they can do what they want without consequences...
My answer is NO to the question of Denny Howweer i is a heoretical question. and will not happen if a corrupt and gutless Democrat becomes President of the USA - it will happen and the U A will take no action against China,
Th e problem is the potential DP candidates ae all in the pay of the C Chinese Government and their main objecctive always sis to protect corruption in the USA. The Democrats also support domestic terrorism at the expense of US citizens.
As a matter of fact most potential candidates are guilty of incomepetence and idiocy.Typical examples are Walz Harris VP candidate - no totally discredited as Governor - Haris herself, Nwsom the Governor of California and some other notorious idiots believing in communist ideology,
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This pompous, preening president,
this oligarchs’ wet dream,
this strutting, callous malcontent,
this narcissist supreme,
this gaseous, immoral blimp,
this bulging bag of bile,
this anti-science, jumped-up shrimp,
this venal crocodile,
this icon of incompetence,
this ignorant buffoon,
this dolt devoid of common sense,
this odious poltroon
is spreading poison far and wide
in Gaza and Ukraine,
for he has lied and lied and lied,
and then has lied again,
and now his Venezuelan fight
has trampled on the law
to satisfy his appetite
for whipping up a war,
while Greenland’s now a target too
as Donnie’s toxic dreams
are threatening another coup,
a fantasy, it seems,
designed to drag the USA
inexorably down
to hell on earth, a judgement day
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My initial reaction was that it was unnecessary ….this was just a typical Woke warrior, not a dangerous person. But the video that’s dishonestly not being shown creates a different impression. The car accelerates suddenly and the officer scrambles to get out of the way.
Correct, it was made into a weapon, and any person stupid enough to drive towards an officer when he has a gun pointed at them should accept the consequences.
It is a pity she died, but as we already know....stupidity has no boundaries
Awhat would have hamened if she hit him out of the way, reversed and ran him over a few times?...no reasonable person starts driving towards a cop pointing a gun at them after being told to stop and get out of the car
Well..... what a lot of people don't know, is that this very same officer that shot this woman was also involved in another serious incident in June last year where he was dragged quite a distance by a vehicle he stopped and sustained multiple injuries and had to be hospitlised and received 20 stitches to his arm and 15 stitches to his hand.
But.... Stav would rather that officer get hit with the car first..... then determine just how seious he was hit, and then try and decide if it was suffcient enough to warrant him pulling out his service weapon and then deciding to point it at the person in the vehicle..... and then also deciding if he should pull the trigger to stop the immediate threat.....
How stupid can you really be
The same posters who backed Derek Chauvin when he brutally and needlessly killed George Floyd in broad daylight, broadcast live for the world to see, are now supporting the needless manslaughter of a mother.
Shame!
"The same posters who backed Derek Chauvin when he brutally and needlessly killed George Floyd in broad daylight, broadcast live for the world to see, are now supporting the needless manslaughter of a mother.
Shame!"
Don't be so hard on yourself.
The same posters who backed Derek Chauvin when he brutally and needlessly killed George Floyd in broad daylight, broadcast live for the world to see, are now supporting the needless manslaughter of a mother.
You are amongst the very few who these days still actually believe this shit.....
You are amongst the very few who these days still actually believe this shit.....
Really?
Go ahead, based on my above statement, prove me wrong.
George's toxicology report in summary...
The toxicology portion of George Floyd’s autopsy (completed late May 2020 as part of the full autopsy report) found that at the time of his death:
A forensic toxicologist later testified in the Derek Chauvin trial that:
How about, don't be a life long criminal, have an overdose worthy level of fentanyl in your system, cause trouble, resist arrest and escalate the situation when the cops have been extremely patient with you.
Lol if cops went around treating everybody like they were on the verge of fentanyl overdose, they wouldn't be able to arrest anyone.
...but sure, the life long criminal junkie scumbag who held a pregnant woman at gunpoint must be looked after.
That didn't take Plum very long to provide....
Not just that...... how about the fact that George Floyd also had advanced heart disease where multiple arteries were 75 - 90% blocked which made him more vulnerable due to low oxygen levels.
How about the fact that at that time, George Floyd was also experiencing hypertensive heart disease, which caused an enlarged heart.... more specifically cardiomegaly at 540g.
How about the fact that in "normal circumstances", just the Fentanyl in his system, in isolation, was enough....on it's own, to cause a fatal overdose..... and then add in the norfentanyl (metabolite) from recent metamphetamine use.
Then just for extra measure, add in the Cannabinoids found in his system, and the fact that he was also suffering from a Covid infection, and sickle cell trait.
What Chauvin did was disgusting, and unnecessary, and I have never agreed with it, but I do feel for these cops that have to deal with these kind of life or death situations every day, and with Floyd being 6 foot 4, 102 kgs ... on drugs and also resisting arrest, I can only imagine how difficult it was to restrain him, but that does not condone what happened.
Then take into account the gun, the pregnant woman, the counterfeit money, his history of crimes........ Floyd was no angel.....and through his own actions and daily drug use masssively contributed to his own demise.
He had it coming.
Stav would rather that officer get hit with the car first...
But it happened. The car hit the police officer. Liberals do not exhibit the ability to live in an immediate environment. They must replace it with a fable.
The Gestapo killer cop had his phone in the one hand filming the victim & simultaneously shooting her after apparently being run over by her SUV. Sure.
What a hero!
He got pissed off at the verbal bollocking Good & her friend gave him . After the execution he was heard calling her a fucking bitch.
Closer to home….
84-year-old man was found murdered in his Camps Bay home in late December 2025, with his hands and feet tied up. The victim's daughter discovered the body at the Francolin Road residence on Tuesday afternoon, December 30, 2025.
