Here we go...the tits in America known they have gone and goofed up...now it's tantrums and blame game time.
The lack of self awareness on the western side of the Atlantic could fill a black hole.
Who needs the little men in suits and the Theme Park toy military,
LOL then why does the Trump keep asking/demanding to come help him. Maybe it's something to do with Europe having 130 or so minesweepers to the US's 4?
Because the American public understands the main beneficiaries of opening up Hormuz are Europe and Asia. Japan in particular are struggling for LNG, but can’t help other than releasing oil reserves which they have done.
Your clown president is the man who cause the Straights to be closed. Now he is talking about cutting and running and leaving the Straights to Iran for them to charge $2 million passage per ship, which some analysts estimate will earn Iran $80 billion a year. They could develop a nice little nuclear and rocket program with that.
So you believe they never enriched Uranium to levels only required by nuclear weapons during the rule of the late Ayatollah.
Everyone acknowledges Iran enriched Uranium not to to the level required by nuclear weapons, but to a level that would allow them to quickly enrich that Uranium to the level needed to make a nuclear bomb. No one in the west is disputing that. But there was nothing to indicate Iran had (1.) made the decision to take that final step to build a bomb, (2.) even if they made the bomb that Iran would use it offensively, (3.) they could miniaturize it and have a missile delivery system for it, a capability Iran was believed to be about a decade away from.
Starmer is simply using this situation to shackle us back to the EU.
Legend...about time the mess that is Brexit starts to be undone.
One can debate whether this war is a positive…..reduction in Iran’s capability to have a nuclear weapons vs further radicalization of the militant Muslim world. My view is these guys need no help to go off the rails, they fail at something and it’s automatically the West’s fault. Give them a nuclear weapon and the Strait of Hormuz is closed the next day with a series of demands, mostly involving Israel.
Bollocks, Iran threatens Israel with nukes, Israel would probably launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike. Not to mention they would effectively be nuking Palestine and the Palestinians which goes against the reason why they got involved in the fight against Israel in the first place. Your just making shit up here.
So nobody wanted this war, it’s a miserable outcome and a tragic one for many, including those kids we all still think about. But this is a rogue regime and a constant source of conflict. It will get worse as their programs come to fruition and look out when their oil starts to fade, that’s when they will be at their most dangerous just like Russia.
You don't know that. you're just projecting these worst case scenario's because you know this a monumental screw up.
The right answer was for the world to step in when the election atrocities became known. The US finally did because Trump isn’t a member of the club and is willing to do the unpopular things. In the short run it’s a bust. Maybe in the long run it’s a bust if we don’t get regime change which looks less and less likely.
Why did the world not step in Sudan or Myanmar. It doesn't step in because then you will basically committing yourself to an endless series of wars. Because there is numerous conflicts and rouge states where innocent people suffer.
But that’s not because the administration wasn’t willing to act. It’s because the American public are limiting his hand via the election process and because Europe has been totally unsupportive. Nor does the argument that they weren’t consulted hold much practical weight, that would simply have leaked and made things much more difficult.
Thank god he fears the possible outcome of the mid terms, it might restrain from doing something really stupid if it's not already too late... and it might render him a lame duck for the last two years. American democracy is a disgrace right now, the system isn't fit for purpose if one man can do so much damage. Damn right Europe isn't being supportive of this stupidity. And leaked what...they would have simply said your reasons and evidence is bullshit we want no part of this and urged continued negotiations, it's not like Europe would of leaked the US's strategy or that Iran would of been less surprised by the the US/Israel attack. Hell there is even a small chance European leaders might have been able persuade him not to go ahead (albeit a very small chance)
Trump’s solution to that conundrum was to say we would take out their whole electrical grid. But the price of that in terms of civilian suffering will probably be too much and the world will accept a phony deal and the Iranians will go on giving us a taste of medieval radicalism every now and then, But we have probably delayed the inevitable by 5 years. In most country’s that and the whole experience might be enough to hope for change. In country’s like Iran sadly that never seems to happen with a a cataclysm
5 years. The assessment I'm seeing are in the best case scenario Iran's nuclear program has been set back 6 months and in a worse case scenario the breakout time has gone from two weeks before the war to an increase of 1 additional week. But yeah tell us again how it's great that Iran's navy and airforce have been destroyed, as if anyone considered them a threat before the war.
If Trump's America isn't respectable America then Starmer's Britain is defos not a shadow of Britain.
So what's the argument exactly?
Britain is indeed a shadow of it's former self, but that's been the direction of travel for a long time before Starmer. But the idea that's it's less respected than America under Trump is laughable, I don't think you appreciate quite how despised Trump and MAGA is around the world. There seen as bunch of dangerous, ignorant morons who deserve nothing but ridicule and contempt.
America isn't only its leader. I know I'm not the ANC and and neither is anybody else here.
That's actually a fair point.
I know at least half if maybe slightly more than half of American's don't support what Trump is doing overall to America... but I still get the impression they don't understand what he's doing to the rest of the world...some will fight him but a lot of them are just keeping their heads down and trying to ignore it.
Europe is not on the side of morality they are on the side of expediency
Europe is not being on the side of gross stupidity. Man up and fix your mess.
Bottom line:
Starmer is far more unpopular in current polling than Trump, by a large margin."
PS Trump is an actual upgrade on Biden according to aggregate polling numbers and Starmer, is on aggregate, less popular the Boris.
Again, I'll ask, what is the argument here?
I don't know what argument are you trying to make?. Starmer is unpopular because of his own mistakes and mistakes of his government, he's not a very good PM. But also he is unpopular because most of the media is extremely right wing in the UK and have gone out of their way to attack him and labour relentlessly, they helped make him more unpopular than his actual policies merit. He is far more competent than any of the last 3 Tory PM's and certainly miles better than Trump. Seriously tell me a policy that he has enacted that has been as disastrous (in a relative sense to the the UK) as some of Trump's crazy antics.
But right now the UK public does support his position with regards the war in Iran and he will probably see a boost in his favourability ratings as a result. His unpopularity has nothing to do with his stance on Iran.
