Starmer’s comment

LOL

Moz, you're wasting you're time...unfortunately..

Says something about a country who selects a weak wanker as leader...

Yeah, yeah, I know what you're thinking, but he got up after being shot... imagine Starmer after being shot... he'll p!$$ himselv....

Starmer's turned a corner ... while Batshit goes from the very bad to total catastrophic chaos.

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Let’s not revisit this again unless you have something useful to add.

Still with the strawman arguments. When did I claim Europe had more ships or had overall more capability. I was simply pointing out in the context of you derision towards European militaries that in a number of weapon's categories Europeans have better kit as demonstrated in the war in Ukraine and over the last few years Europe has been the US and China for that matter in launching naval ships.

Which means the US has energy security. And as much of the infrastructure is dedicated prices won’t rise as much, in the meantime Europe and Asia could actually be at risk of not having enough supply…Japan has 6 weeks of LNG left.

Again up in the ivory tower, looking down at the plebs, it will still hit American's at the pump, more than enough to see Trump get hammered in the mid terms. The slowdown in the world economy will also have blowback into the American economy. And you do understand the rest of the world is going to rightly blame America for causing this mess.

And after Iran proxies attacked Israel civilians in a brutal massacre, which nobody in Europe seems much bothered about.

As opposed to the he US doesn't seem to be bothered about enabling genocide and starting unprovoked wars.

It’s true the Europeans probably won’t do anything without the US holding their tiny, little hands….the US would do it as part of a NATO effort and if it lasted long enough the little men in suits would come on bended knee.

You see this is why Trump and MAGA are so despised around the world, extreme arrogance coupled with extreme stupidity. The very fact that you made this thread and call Starmers comments incredible insensitive after the shit Trump has pulled for the last year and a bit is just bonkers. It's lack of self awareness on absolutely unhinged levels.

Actually this looks to have been a screw up, and we haven’t heard the end of it. The world’s economy will be fine even if the world leaves the Dark Ages Iranian regime in place. But these crisis will continue to occur.

Forgive me if I don't share you confidence.

The most intelligent thing you have said in a while

Well when I'm speaking to people of the intellectual calibre of you and Draad and those in the MAGA sphere, I really got to dumb down my arguments into something you can understand. But it's a pretty hopeless task if I'm being honest.

Says something about a country who selects a weak wanker as leader...

Yeah, yeah, I know what you're thinking, but he got up after being shot... imagine Starmer after being shot... he'll p!$$ himselv....

He probably just say something boring, 'like as I and the Labour party have already stated multiple times, we remain committed to providing support to those who have suffered gun violence, and will be passing legislation in the new year to that effect, next question please'.

As I said before I think Starmer is fundamentally a good and decent man, but he's a terrible politician and badly advised one at that. Trump on the other hand is fundamentally a truly awful human being who had the fortune of running for high office in the one country in the world that would be stupid enough to elect him... not just once but twice. Now the entire planet is paying the price.

"As I said before I think Starmer is fundamentally a good and decent man, but he's a terrible politician and badly advised one at that. Trump on the other hand is fundamentally a truly awful human being who had the fortune of running for high office in the one country in the world that would be stupid enough to elect him... not just once but twice. Now the entire planet is paying the price."

Exactly.

Should they have re-elected Biden or the empty-headed China stooge Harris as President?

Biden was well on his wway to destroy the USA often inked to corruption and Harris would have expedited that being a Chinese stooge.

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America must take their troops out of Europe. Having bases in countries has allowed America to the largest arms dealer in the world. We can just produce our own weapons, and stop investing in the American economy.

1. Germany ???? 767,282,600€

2. USA ???? 767,282,580€

3. United Kingdom ???? 531,690,651€

4. France ???? 520,086,609€

5. Italy ???? 411,469,885€

6. Canada ???? 338,983,229€

7. Türkiye ???? 324,388,082€

8. Spain ???? 297,473,292€

9. Netherlands ???? 180,259,075€

10. Poland ???? 174,076,087€

11. Belgium ???? 106,650,111€

12. Sweden ???? 101,867,433€

13. Norway ???? 86,505,205€

14. Romania ???? 82,875,724€

15. Denmark ???? 66,257,334€

16. Czechia ???? 59,842,677€

17. Portugal ???? 55,090,888€

18. Finland ???? 47,852,519€

19. Greece ???? 47,507,590€

20. Hungary ???? 44,315,706€

21. Slovakia ???? 25,632,888€

22. Bulgaria ???? 23,146,307€

23. Croatia ???? 18,147,405€

24. Lithuania ???? 15,475,489€

25. Slovenia ???? 12,829,314€

26. Latvia ???? 9,045,387€

27. Luxembourg ???? 8,818,867€

28. Estonia ???? 7,361,926€

29. Albania ???? 5,575,501€

30. Iceland ???? 4,370,822€

31. North Macedonia ???? 4,175,190€

32. Montenegro ???? 1,863,648€

Interesting.

That kind of blows a big hole in the Trumpanzee notion that it's the USA who props NATO up.

Thanks SB.

Well when I'm speaking to people of the intellectual calibre of you and Draad and those in the MAGA sphere, I really got to dumb down my arguments into something you can understand. But it's a pretty hopeless task if I'm being honest

‘I really got to dumb down my arguments’…….hahaha…..I rest my case.

Oh dear once again I have to educate the woke set. The NATObudget you are referring to is best described as the administrative budget, not the defense budget. It’s a tiny amount $ 5 billion a year. The US dominates defense expenditure, paying 65% of the $ 1 trillion actual spent on defense.

Read and learn…….MAGA >WOKE yet again

The key to answering this clearly is that “paying for NATO” has two completely different meanings:

1. Direct NATO budgets (the actual NATO organization)
2. National defense spending (the real military power behind NATO)

NATO’s common budgets are small:

1. Total: roughly €4.6–5.3 billion/year
2. Covers:
3. Headquarters
4. Command structure
5. Shared infrastructure

Who pays this?

The costs are split by a formula based on national income.

Largest contributors (2026)

1. ???? United States: ~15–16%
2. ???? Germany: ~15–16%
3. ???? United Kingdom: ~10%
4. ???? France: ~10%

?? No country pays a majority

?? The U.S. is the single largest payer, but only about one-sixth

This is where most of the money actually is.

1. NATO’s common budget = ~0.3% of total allied defense spending
2. Total NATO defense spending = $1+ trillion/year

Each country pays for:

1. Its own army, navy, air force
2. Equipment, personnel, operations

?? There is no central NATO army budget

Again up in the ivory tower, looking down at the plebs, it will still hit American's at the pump, more than enough to see Trump get hammered in the mid terms. The slowdown in the world economy will also have blowback into the American economy

Hot of the press, the US adds 100,000 more jobs in March as Trump’s economic incentives feeds momentum into the economy. Making tax cuts permanent, no tax on tips and overtime, the early effects of $18 trillion dollars of trade deal investments and deregulation.

Looking down from my Ivory Tower I see a mid term story beginning to emerge with the plebs (your term not mine) flooding back into the job market.

America spends more on its own military; this has nothing to do with NATO.

Invading countries has nothing to do with NATO - especially when war crimes are being committed.

Apparently, Trump has appealed for an extra 1.5 trillion military budget in 2027.

This is just going to push up America's debt, bringing it closer to default. All the world has to do is end the Petro dollar, and America can no longer export its inflation onto the world as a result of being the global currency.

The Mein Kampf Hitler stuff is just narrative.

The problem with Trump supporters is like Trump - they build an argument on a faulty premise or just a lie.

Everything after that would be true if the original lie was true.

Any time a Trump supporter argues, they always fall back on the woke/left-wing argument.

The problem is that in other countries, conservative people hate Trump and his scyophants - so it has nothing to do with ideology. Trump is not even a conservative person - he has voted Democrat for most of his life

I guess you have given up on your 15% of the NATO administration budget of $5 billion makes it all fair point. Just admit it for once and stop diverting.

Not even sure what you are rambling about. If America wants to have a large military budget, then do so.

However, don't claim that it is protecting NATO. NATO countries have paid a lot for American weapons, we dont need their bases or weapons. They must just pack their stuff and get out of Europe

America is in more wars than any country; these have nothing to do with NATO. The US is not part of the ICO because they frequently commit war crimes.

The oil blockade of Cuba is hardly a NATO operation, nor are most of America's wars.

Yes, the UK fully repaid its World War II-era loans to the United States with interest.

Loan Details

The primary loan, known as the Anglo-American Loan Agreement of 1946, totaled $4.34 billion from the US (plus a smaller amount from Canada). It was provided at a 2% interest rate to help Britain recover postwar, not directly for wartime fighting.

Repayment Timeline

Payments began in 1950 over 50 annual installments. The final payment was about $83 million to the US (including interest).

Total Cost

The UK paid around $7.5 billion overall, more than double the principal due to interest.

Trumpism is a war on the truth. If the facts dont fit the narrative, just lie.

"Not even sure what you are rambling about. If America wants to have a large military budget, then do so."

lol

I almost forgot how bad you are at math, ou Visser.

He's rambling because it's a coping mechanism...he knows Trump's gone and screwed up royally and it's a total vindication of all those who warned about how dangerously incompetent Trump is. So he needs to convince himself that someone else in this case Europe is someone responsible for an even bigger offense. It's just away of shutting down down criticism and and blaming other people for Trump/America's stupidity.

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VisKop

Look at the chart you posted.

1) What was the state of the world economy at the start of your chart? Do you remember that the US had just finished printing $5 trillion? Be a good boy and post the same chart but from 2 years earlier than that.

2) Can you spot a trend on the chart?

3) Did you expect that Trump's election would immediately reverse that Trend?

Shark just admit….your whole point about NATO budget sharing was a mistake. Just as your point about the US stealing 100 million from Switzerland was a mistake. Be honest and admit your mistakes. Same goes for the wee Mick who disappears every time he is exposed. Cowardly stuff.

As for the question Plum raised, include the 2021 data onwards. That will give you the picture. Job growth was dropping throughout the Biden term, precipitously in 2024 because he threw so much free money stimulus around he created inflation. Trump inherited an economy where interest rates had been ratcheted up. The other reason job growth slowed was the curtailing of illegal immigration’.

Do please try to understand things and not post the first thing you read in the left wing trash media.

Nice graph SB. I think it tells its own story.

It was a mistake to consider independent military budgets as part of the NATO umbrella.

Otherwise, we could consider the Iran operation a NATO-funded project, which it is clearly not.

@Buttplug.

Copy and paste that image into ChatGPT.

Then enter the Prompt"Explain this chart to a 6-year old".

Response below:

This is how I would explain it to a 6-year-old

Imagine a big country where people get jobs every month.

This picture is showing how many new jobs were made each month.

The left side (big blue circle)

At the start, there are very tall bars. That means lots and lots of jobs were being added.

Some of these big numbers happened because of COVID.

When COVID ended, many people went back to work, so it looks like a big jump.

But even after that early jump, the bars are still quite tall for a long time.

That means a lot of jobs were still being created, even when things were more normal.

?? So in this blue area, job creation is generally higher.

The right side (red circle)

Now look at the smaller bars on the right.

These bars are much shorter.

Some even go below zero, which means jobs were actually lost that month.

?? So in this red area, fewer jobs are being created, and sometimes jobs are disappearing.

The simple way to think about it

1. Big tall bars = lots of people getting jobs
2. Small or negative bars = fewer people getting jobs (or losing jobs)

The key idea

Even if we ignore the big jump from COVID at the start,

the blue section still shows more job growth overall than the red section.

Final simple explanation

So, if you were explaining it simply:

?? “Before, lots of people were getting new jobs every month.

?? Now, fewer people are getting jobs, and sometimes people are losing them.”

That’s the main story the chart is telling.

No worries SB, the graph is self-explanatory. I personally don't require Trumpanzee spin to make me understand it any differently.

Maybe we should give Bozo a bit of credit . . . at least two of the jobs he created are worth billions of dollars more than the others.

Those would be the jobs he created for his sons Bozo Jr and Eric the Dim. They got jobs in drone manufacturing . . . just before the war started.

It is not left-wing versus right-wing. It is Trumpanzee logic (lies) against facts.

That stuff may spin inside America, but most of the West prefers facts - regardless of ideology.

SB, did you just use the words "Trumpanzee" and "logic " in the same sentence?

Well done!

No man, guys!

Surely you're trolling with this?

Even without any external knowledge, are you really gonna pretend that you can't see the trend on that chart?

Plum, maybe you should read the version that SB kindly provided for you.

Pay attention to what the tall lines mean compared to the ones that go downward. There's a trend for you.

Do you guys do any trading?

Perhaps it's because I do that most of this stuff is pretty obvious to me. And perhaps I'm taking that for granted.

I suggest asking Chat slightly better questions than "How do I read that chart"

1) What caused the increase in job creation post the initial Covid shock?

2) Why have job creation numbers been trending down and since when have they been trending down?

3) What role has inflation played post Covid in job creation numbers.

4) Bonus question; do you see a trend in that chart and when did the trend begin.

Those are pretty unbiased questions.

See if the answers to those shed some light for you.

Oh right . . . I remember you saying oil would hit $87 and then go back down.

How is your trading going then, Plum?

Those would be the jobs he created for his sons Bozo Jr and Eric the Dim. They got jobs in drone manufacturing . . . just before the war started.

You forget his son in law.......he pocketed 5B and another 100m, all from the Saudi government.

"Oh right . . . I remember you saying oil would hit $87 and then go back down."

That's not what I said.

You are welcome to bring up the post.

...and you're also welcome to visit the "Oil price" thread where I've been charting the oil price and actually making some very solid calls. Including having made the correct call on the trading range which has played out exactly as predicted over the last two weeks.

And if you'd like a little more context, ask Moz about my call on silver a little while ago. I called a short on it the day before it dropped by a the biggest amount in 45 years.

And finally, if you think a hobby trader is able to be 100% correct, and wish to use any wrong calls as some kind of attack vector, good luck to you.

Not sure why you're trying to take a dig but I honestly don't really care. Do what makes you happy or gives you a kick.

ButttPlug, it is painfully obvious that the Biden job numbers were strong long after Covid.

Trump's job numbers are bad - much worse than at any time during the Biden presidency.

A 6-year-old could understand this.

Here you go Plum . . .

https://www.ruckersforum.com/forum/sharkbok/so-america-bombed-a-girls-school-killing-150-in-iran-/57714

Mar 09, 2026, 23:33

Holy shit...people scalped the bajeezus out of the oil price over the last 24 hours.

At 4am it was up to $115...it's now just under 20 hours later and it's down to $90.

Tell you what Stavie, you should put your money where your mouth is because if you're predicting $150, then a nice little 5x leverage trade from here could see you cash in quite nicely.

I'm thinking it's going all the way back down to $80.

Not attacking you. I don't play the stock market so I couldn't really give a toss about the price of oil or silver but I'm just wondering why you keep denying this obviously bad call you made.