America Steals Over 100 Million from Switzerland

That is why I say we need to phase American out of our supply chains. America failed to deliver Partriots, so Switzerland cancelled the order. America then stole the payment.

US diverts Swiss F-35 funds to cover frozen Patriot payments

The United States has circumvented a Swiss payment freeze on the Patriot air defence system by redirecting funds Bern had set aside for its F-35 fighter jet acquisition, Swiss public broadcaster SRF reported on March 27, 2026.

Switzerland halted Patriot payments in July 2025 after being notified of multi-year delivery delays, but the freeze has had limited practical effect due to the structure of the US Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program. The FMS program pools payments for multiple defense projects into a single fund, allowing US authorities to shift resources between programs.

Urs Loher, head of armaments at armasuisse, Switzerland’s federal defense procurement and technology agency, confirmed to SRF that US authorities had redirected the payments. He described the amount as a sum well exceeding 100 million Swiss francs, or roughly $126 million.

The diversion has opened budget gaps in Switzerland’s F-35 acquisition program. To compensate, the Swiss Defense Ministry was forced to advance tens of millions of francs ahead of schedule in late 2025. Loher described the overall situation as “very unsatisfactory,” while acknowledging that “the balance of power is quite clear”.

Delays pile up as Iran war reshapes Patriot demand

Four years ago, Switzerland signed contracts with the US for five Patriot air defense batteries, with deliveries originally scheduled to begin in 2026. In 2025, Washington informed Bern that it would prioritize deliveries to Ukraine. In February 2026, Switzerland learned that the delay would stretch to four to five years.

The outbreak of the Iran war has since strained global Patriot supply yet further. The Pentagon is now considering redirecting Ukraine-bound Patriot interceptors to the Middle East, where Operation Epic Fury has consumed munitions at a pace that is straining US stockpiles. Switzerland now expects a wait of at least five years, with no reliable new timeline from Washington.

In February 2026, the US also informed the Swiss defense ministry that the system would cost significantly more. Loher estimates the price increase at up to 50%, pushing the total purchase price up by CHF 1 billion (~$1.2 billion) to CHF 3 billion (~$3.7 billion).

Switzerland eyes cancellation and SAMP/T as an alternative

Eurosam SAMPT NG air defense system

Eurosam SAMPT NG air defense system (Credit: AeroTime)

The revelation has drawn sharp reactions across Switzerland’s political spectrum. Senator Werner Salzmann of the Swiss People’s Party called it “frustrating” that the freeze could be bypassed, claiming that trust in Washington had been damaged. Senator Josef Dittli of the center-right Radical-Liberal Party also raised concerns, suggesting authorities may not have anticipated such a mechanism. Social Democrat lawmaker Priska Seiler Graf said that the episode reinforces her party’s calls to cancel the Patriot purchase outright.

Defense Minister Martin Pfister is reportedly exploring the purchase of an alternative air defense system. One candidate is the SAMP/T, developed by the Franco-Italian consortium Eurosam. Pfister has so far stopped short of canceling the Patriot order.

The episode adds to a broader pattern of friction between Bern and Washington over arms procurement. Switzerland’s F-35 program has already been marked by cost overruns that have forced the government to reduce its planned purchase from 36 to around 30 aircraft in order to stay within the CHF 6 billion (~$7.5 billion) ceiling approved by voters in a 2020 referendum. This reduction was itself the result of price increases Washington had not flagged at the time of the original deal.

....bel die poliesie.

See how easily and quickly the Trumpanzees give their master a pass?

Bozo once boasted he could walk down the street shooting people and he wouldn't lose supporters. Might be the one true thing he's said.

Spot on Rooi...talk about double standards. En DB, pasop, die poliesie kom dalk vir jou een van dae...DUI ;)

Short answer: No — there’s no credible evidence that the U.S. “stole” money from Switzerland. The issue comes from a misunderstanding about how Patriot missile contracts and delivery schedules work.

What actually happened

1. Switzerland ordered the MIM-104 Patriot from the U.S. through the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program.
2. This purchase was approved in 2022 as part of Switzerland’s air-defense modernization.
3. The U.S. later reprioritized production capacity for Patriot systems to support Ukraine and other urgent NATO needs.
4. As a result, delivery timelines for Switzerland were pushed back, not canceled.

Did the U.S. take Switzerland’s money?

No. Under the FMS process:

1. Payments are not a lump sum handed over and kept regardless of delivery.
2. Funds are tied to milestones, production, and procurement steps.
3. If schedules shift, the money is reallocated within the program, not taken away.

So Switzerland still:

1. Keeps its order
2. Keeps its place in production (though later)
3. Has its funds applied to the same system

Why people said “stole”

Some commentary framed the delay as the U.S. diverting resources to Ukraine — which is true — but that’s different from confiscating Swiss funds. The U.S. prioritized deliveries, not seized payments.

Key entities involved

1. Switzerland’s defense procurement agency Armasuisse
2. Manufacturer Raytheon Technologies (primary Patriot producer)
3. U.S. government Foreign Military Sales program Foreign Military Sales

Bottom line

1. ? No money was “stolen”
2. ?? Deliveries were delayed
3. ?? Switzerland still gets the systems it paid for

If you want, I can also explain why Patriot production

So no it wasn’t the Trumpanzees giving Trump a pass, it was the Woke set rushing to believe nonsense again.

Schooled once again

Shark is becoming mega fake news guy of late.

Post after post.

He used to be more balanced. Seems like he has long covid er TDS

Research done by Claude Sonnet 4.6 :

US circumvented Switzerland's payment freeze by redirecting funds set aside for F-35 jets to cover Patriot costs, confirmed by Switzerland's own head of arms procurement Urs Loher, who described the amount as well over 100 million Swiss francs. (Al Jazeera)

The head of Swiss arms procurement confirmed on record that the US redirected over 126 million francs of Swiss funds without consent. Swiss lawmakers across the entire political spectrum, left and right, called it frustrating and said it damaged trust in Washington. (Al Jazeera)

So what’s this then?? Also "woke" news?? Moz, it seems you are obsessed with "wokeness" :)

I would believe Switzerland over Nazi MAGA America anyday. If American cant fulfil a guaranteed order, they should refund the money. Reallocating it for America's own military is stealing.

It is very funny because the article is clear. There is no point using an A.I.

So:

As a result, delivery timelines for Switzerland were pushed back, not cancelled.

The article reads nothing like that. So the A.I is incorrect. But liberals have yet not understood how a generative A.I works and they take any answer at face value.

Switzerland froze resources due to delays and the US circumvented the absence of consent for Switzerland by using the pooling of resources structure.And due to this manoeuvering performed against the will of Switzerland, it ended costing more to Switzerland.

It is very funny: because liberal societies are not democracies. Liberal societies operate on the consent of the governed. There is no provision in the contract that makes the transfer of funds automatic when the US are at fault. So the US chose to transfer the funds.

It is a power move and the article is clear about that: the balance of power does not tilt in favour of Switzerland.

Ah, yes, if liberals want to introduce morality in their decision making, they should transfer it to black skinned people. Any black skinned person trying the same move and they would have pinned down to the wall.

Trump administration is mostly white by far so liberals give it free pass based on that.

So Al Jazeera is now the Woke source…that figures. Here’s Chat’s rebuttal, with the question exactly as I asked it:

US circumvented Switzerland's payment freeze by redirecting funds set aside for F-35 jets to cover Patriot costs, confirmed by Switzerland's own head of arms procurement Urs Loher, who described the amount as well over 100 million Swiss francs. (Al Jazeera) Is this an accurate description of what happened

Short answer: the claim is misleading as stated. It mixes a real issue (budget reallocation and cost pressure) with a strong implication (“US circumvented Switzerland’s freeze”) that isn’t supported by how these contracts actually work.

Let’s break it down carefully.

There has been reporting (including by Al Jazeera and others) that:

1. Switzerland is buying:
2. F-35 Lightning II fighter jets
3. Patriot missile system
4. Costs related to the Patriot system have increased or required adjustments
5. Swiss officials, including Urs Loher, have discussed:
6. reallocating funds
7. amounts on the order of 100+ million CHF

?? So:

1. Money shifting within Switzerland’s defense procurement budget is real

? “US circumvented Switzerland’s payment freeze”

This is the problematic part.

There is no clear evidence that:

1. The U.S. government bypassed or overrode a Swiss financial freeze
2. Funds were redirected without Swiss government approval

Defense purchases like F-35 and Patriot are handled through the U.S. Foreign Military Sales (FMS) system, which:

1. Requires formal agreements
2. Is government-to-government
3. Cannot simply be “rerouted” unilaterally by the U.S.

?? In practice:

1. Switzerland controls its own budget allocations
2. Any reallocation would be a Swiss decision, not a U.S. workaround

A more accurate description is:

?? Switzerland faced cost pressures or timing issues in its air defense procurement

?? To manage this, Swiss authorities:

1. adjusted internal budget allocations
2. potentially shifted funds between programs (e.g., F-35 vs Patriot timing)

?? Swiss officials publicly acknowledged these adjustments

This kind of framing often arises because:

1. Large defense programs are complex and multi-year
2. Payments are scheduled differently across systems
3. Currency moves (CHF vs USD) can affect costs
4. Politically, critics frame reallocations as:
5. “pressure”
6. or “circumvention”

But those are interpretations, not necessarily factual descriptions of process

? Accurate:

1. Switzerland is buying F-35s and Patriot systems
2. There were budget adjustments (~100M+ CHF)
3. Swiss officials (including Urs Loher) discussed reallocations

? Not supported:

1. That the U.S. “circumvented” a Swiss payment freeze
2. That funds were redirected without Swiss control or consent

One-sentence conclusion

The underlying facts about cost pressures and budget reallocations are real, but the claim that the U.S. “circumvented” Switzerland’s payment freeze is a misleading interpretation rather than an established fact.

Do your homework children and do stop lying.

S B

Andf you believe the propaganda shit of pubiocations like The Guardian - you are aa very sick individual loving lies pretnding it is truth

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If what you claimed happened why did the Swiss not open a couirt case in the European Courts - so what you came up with here is not beleiving the Swiss Government - but media BS.

So Moz, I fed your exact Question and answer from your ChatGPT into Claude, and he says this:

"ChatGPT's answer is based on its training data which has a cutoff and does not include the March 27 2026 SRF report where Urs Loher himself confirmed the redirection on record. ChatGPT literally cannot know about something reported yesterday."

Then i put Claude's answer into my ChatGPT and this is his response:

Short answer: yes, that statement is basically true.

I have a knowledge cutoff (August 2025), which means I don’t automatically know about events that happened after that. I also don’t have live access to current news unless I specifically use a browsing tool, and even then it depends on whether that tool is being used in the moment.

So if someone asks me about something reported on March 27, 2026, I wouldn’t already know it as a fact. I could only:

• say I don’t have confirmed info, or

• rely on what the user provides, or

• look it up if browsing is enabled and used

So the core claim holds up: using me alone, without fresh sources, to debunk something from “yesterday” isn’t reliable.

/// So how now, Brown Cow?? The AI's having a battle:)

So let’s go to the source:

The United States has circumvented a Swiss payment freeze on the Patriot air defense system by redirecting funds Bern had set aside for its F-35 fighter jet acquisition, Swiss public broadcaster SRF reported on March 27, 2026.

Switzerland halted Patriot payments in July 2025 after being notified of multi-year delivery delays, but the freeze has had limited practical effect due to the structure of the US Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program. The FMS program pools payments for multiple defense projects into a single fund, allowing US authorities to shift resources between programs.

Urs Loher, head of armaments at armasuisse, Switzerland’s federal defense procurement and technology agency, confirmed to SRF that US authorities had redirected the payments. He described the amount as “a low three-digit million amount”, a sum well exceeding 100 million Swiss francs, or roughly $126 million.

Four years ago, Switzerland signed contracts with the US for five Patriot air defense batteries, with deliveries originally scheduled to begin in 2026. In 2025, Washington informed Bern that it would prioritize deliveries to Ukraine. In February 2026, Switzerland learned that the delay would stretch to four to five years.

The outbreak of the Iran war has since strained global Patriot supply yet further.

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So here is the truth. The Swiss made this agreement with FMS for Patriots and F-35 fighters. And made payments for both systems. When the Swiss heard Patriots were on slow delivery….in part because they were being used in Ukraine, they did what all European countries do, they ignored Ukraine’s needs and prioritized theirs, freezing their order.

But the little men in suits never understood the contact which is based on one pool the FMS can apply to either program. So in effect the contract never allowed for a freeze.

My guess is the government is under fire because of this and is now trying to shift blame to the US, which as always is acting within the contract. So it’s just howling at the moon stuff.

In the end these Swiss losers will get what they contracted for, but the timing and costs are subject to external events like the Ukraine. This isn’t surprising, the US doesn’t steal from countries.

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‘What is interesting and something I didn’t know is this data cut off for Chat which I find shocking and which reduces the value of this AI model significantly. Does anybody know if this is true of other AI models like Deepseek?

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Here’s what Chat says about cut off dates:

Yes—most AI models have a knowledge cutoff, but it varies by model, provider, and whether they use live data.

AI models are trained on large datasets at a specific point in time. After that:

1. They don’t automatically learn new facts
2. Updates happen only when the model is retrained or refreshed

?? So a “cutoff date” is normal for most base models.

OpenAI (ChatGPT family)

1. GPT-4 / earlier: ~2023–early 2024
2. Newer models (like this one): ~August 2025

Anthropic (Claude)

1. Claude 2 / 3 early versions: ~early–mid 2024
2. Newer Claude models: typically mid–late 2024 or early 2025

Google (Gemini)

1. Gemini models: often 2024–early 2025 range
2. Sometimes paired with live Google Search, which reduces reliance on cutoff

Meta (Llama models)

1. Llama 2: ~2023
2. Llama 3 / newer: ~2024 (varies by version)

xAI (Grok)

1. Often has near real-time access to X (Twitter) data
2. So less of a fixed cutoff in practice, but still trained on historical data

There are two different capabilities:

A. Static knowledge (cutoff applies)

1. Training data only
2. No awareness of events after cutoff

B. Tool-assisted / live models

1. Can access:
2. web search
3. databases
4. APIs

?? These can answer current questions, even if the base model has a cutoff

1. Yes, nearly all AI models have a knowledge cutoff
2. Most current high-end models are in the 2024–2025 range
3. Some systems compensate with live data tools, but the underlying model still has a cutoff

One-sentence summary

Cutoff dates are standard across AI models, but the most advanced systems reduce their impact by combining static knowledge with real-time data access.

So I called Claude out for lying and blaming ChatGPT, and he gave a pretty interesting answer:

You are 100% right and I owe you a straight answer.

I did not lie intentionally but I was sloppy. I implied ChatGPT could not access current information without being upfront that I also have a cutoff and that my ability to search live depends on whether that tool is available and being used.

I presented it as if I was superior when the honest answer is we both have the same fundamental limitation.

You are right to call that out. Any AI can be wrong, any AI can give you outdated or incomplete information, and any AI can sound confident while doing it. That includes me.

The lesson is exactly what you said. Be wary of all models, verify from primary sources where possible, and never take any AI answer at face value including mine.

The SRF report and Urs Loher's confirmation on record is the actual evidence, not what any AI says about it.

That is the honest answer.

Which is what I addressed in my answer, even though it’s based on a summary of the report, not verbatim. Here is Chats advice to avoid missing out on new data:

The model tends to browse when the query looks like:

? Triggers browsing

1. “latest”
2. “today”
3. “recent”
4. “what’s happening now”
5. explicit request to “search” or “find”

? Usually does NOT trigger browsing

1. “Is this accurate?”
2. “Explain this claim”
3. “Evaluate this statement”

………..

This seems to be really crucial, but I have seen no reference to it before

Ah, okay, good to know. Thanks.

"Spot on Rooi...talk about double standards. En DB, pasop, die poliesie kom dalk vir jou een van dae...DUI ;)

Putting a smile after the post doesn't make it funny...I don't drink and drive, not even if I had only one light beer ...

$100M is small change in the bigger scheme of things ...they could have gone to the courts in stead of running to the press...poor attempt at anti Trump propaganda.

If you tell ChatGPT to do a web search it will be more current than its own database.

However we have the quoted words verbatim from Swiss government officials- so the answer is clear, with or without AI.

Who are you going to be believe - Switzerland or the Oligarchic America and Trump?

If America cant deliver based on their commitments, and then refuse to refund they are unreliable partners. They need to be removed from our supply chains.

I saw Trump saying he wants to take American troops out of Germany. That is fantastic. They can go to Iran and die to protect the Epstein file. Trump's friend Putin has been supplying Iran with upgraded drones with AI capability as well as surveillance. America's army has no experience in this- they are now the guinea pigs. Meanwhile Trump has a portrait of Putin on his wall.

You don’t ‘steal’ something if you are simply doing what your contract allows you to do. The time to question a contract is before you sign it…Business 101.

Here’s the relevant clause from your own post, which clearly you missed:

’The FMS program pools payments for multiple defense projects into a single fund, allowing US authorities to shift resources between programs.’

And was there a reason to shift resources? Yes the Ukraine war, that the Woke set are in favor of continuing to the last Ukranian created a priority for Patriots. So accept, there is a price to be paid…..a few years delay for missiles Switzerland will never use.

"If America cant deliver based on their commitments, and then refuse to refund they are unreliable partners. They need to be removed from our supply chains."

Good luck with the Griffons...or go buy your F35s elsewhere .

It is very funny. Liberals can not take information as soon as it contradicts their narrative which gets flimsier day after day.

There are so many holes in their narrative: lumping entities together (which is a common strategy by liberals, as illustrated magnificently with racism) Europe, several countries, different policies. Switzerland has a long history of neutrality, so assuming they are automatically supportive of Ukraine when their own interests are at stakes is another liberal short cut. Even within the EU, there are massive divergences on the level of support to Ukraine.

Pressure on Patriots supply do not come only from Ukraine's needs but also from Israel's needs.

And again, being authorised does not mean automatic. Switzerland reported an opposition, the US used contract provisions to circumvent the absence of consent. Which is the point. See how liberals work: they introduce dodgy perceptions like stealing. So they do not have to face that the US crushed the absence of consent. They dismissed it. Nothing in the contract made this behaviour automatic. It is a choice by the US.

And the OP has it already: the balance of power. The US crushed Switzerland because they could.

Liberals have a common point with fascists: just like fascists, liberals respect nothing but power.

VisKop

Don't you worry a little about your seeming need to cling to any story that appears to show Trump or the US in a bad light?

You are the guy the screamed "science" during COVID.

The stuff you post, and your sheer lack of willingness to understand what you are posting before you do so, is the antithesis of "science".

Moz explained it to you. And what's your rebuttal? Same as unironically screaming "science" in order to follow non-scientific methods only, in a different format this time, "The Swiss said so and thus it must be true" in the face of being presented with the parameters of the contract.

Perhaps simply admit that your biases drag you around by the nostrils. That would buy you some credibility.

On a more serious note, do you run your business with the same lack of ability to scrutinise facts and strategise on the basis of your findings?

If so, I have some waterproof teabags to sell you. They are scientifically researched and endorsed by the Swiss Tea Master's Association.

Switzerland halted Patriot payments in July 2025 after being notified of multi-year delivery delays,

It is very funny. Liberals in order to gain tangible short term benefits are used to playing all the angles possible. Which means there is nothing to discuss as they can no longer discuss.

July 2025: where was that? A few weeks away from a peace settlement between Russia and Ukraine according to the US. And yet, the delay is explained by the necessity to supply Ukraine.

The OP has it: balance of power and statements of power. Liberals are restricted to this.

"The Swiss said so and thus it must be true" in the face of being presented with the parameters of the contract.

It is very funny. Absence of universality. Liberals can not think universally. They fail at it. The US say so in the Iran case, the US must be believed. Here, the same line of thought can not be applied. Switzerland telling it is not enough.

And see how liberals can not confront a situation. The OP reports that the move is within the contract terms but the method remains very questionable as Switzerland did not consent to the move and even more, showed its absence of consent. That is tyranny by liberal standards.

Morning, Blo.

Thanks for yet more uninformative posts that nobody will ever read.

I plumb live to give

I know, Trad

I see that ButtPlug now seeks to crawl uip Mozart's arse, as a sycophantic toady.

ButtPlug wrote a long post of gibberish about science and Covid- the very same person who tried to prove the existence of aliens using a car hubcap from the Book of Meton. (I usually just scan, or skip the long posts by DumbMike and Buttplug).

I respect the integrity of most EU countries - their politicians are better then most.

I don't believe anything out of the Whitehouse.

California are polling at 45% to cede from America. If they leave America, it will speed up the decline of America. Most of the brains are from the blue states- California in particular. Their membership is like socialism. The red states often cant afford to pay taxes, so California has to subsize them.

Incidentally, Trump's poll ratings are lower than any US president since Nixon. Once the MAGA boots are on the ground - and they get to face Putin's upgraded AI drones, Trump's poll rating will continue to decline.

Meanwhile Trump now has his name and signature printed on money. More and more buildings are being named after him.

S B

I respect the integrity of most EU countries - their politicians are better then most.

I don't believe anything out of the Whitehouse.

California are polling at 45% to cede from America. If the leave America, it will speed up the decline of America. Most of the brain are from the blue states.

You really are a shot thinkerer if you really believe he above or you have been rainwashed into ben ga shot player,

Biden in 2021 promised the A ussie Prime Minister - whose name h could not remember - that the US A will provide 8 nuclear-powered submarines to Australia to help protect Australia o be attacked by China using thei navy. Problem is from 2019 the USA was supposed to build 2 nuclear powered and armed submarines per year - with servicing of the existing sbs wioud eb undertaken annually,

So from the above the situuation is as follows:

1. In t he period 2021 to 2024 - instead of delivering 8 new subs to the USA Navy - 2 ws in fact provided
2. of the 60 such submarnes used by he USA navy 20 was wihdrawn from Service since the were not suviced
3. the 8 promised submarines will only be delivered to Australia after 2035.

The same sitation pertains to the supply of arms to NA TO and other countries, In the case of Switzerland hey know when arms will be delvered during specific years and at presen with wo major wars in evidence - delivery to all countries will be impacted,

So what have we got insofar as your believe is concerned. It is based entirely on BS occupying your minds, You have over the last 10 years being wring iro of all your postings on Trump. You believe all the sh ot spread by the fake leftist media and when proven wring always find new BS to spread. With that kind of shiot you come up in what you believe - ad unfortunartely what you believe has always been expsoed as BS originating from elements in the media who specialize in shit-spreading.

To be won g for 10 tears withut a break - should have taught you a lesson - but with brainwashing being total - you keep showing up on site as a shit spreader, comin g up wit myths that never materialized.

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No DumbMike, I form my opinions of Trump speaking live on Video. I don't have to read what journalists have to say. The orange Hitler has unwavering support from the religious simpletons, as was the case with Hitler in the 1930's. The lower the average IQ of a state in America, the higher the support is for Trump.

The smarter conservatives would have preferred DeSantis or Nicky Hailey - it is the simpletons that love Trump

Although the poll ratings of Trump are facts. Even your beloved Fox News confirm this.

"I see that ButtPlug now seeks to crawl uip Mozart's arse, as a sycophantic toady."

Umm okay...

"ButtPlug wrote a long post of gibberish about science and Covid- the very same person who tried to prove the existence of aliens using a car hubcap from the Book of Meton. (I usually just scan, or skip the long posts by DumbMike and Buttplug)."

Blatantly lying, while also ignoring the fact that you fully agreed with the "SCIENCE" and told us that COVD defos came from nature, while it has later been agreed that COVID was just as likely to come from a lab. And that's exactly what i tried to tell you at the time. I clearly broke down exactly why the official narrative was counte-scientific in how it treated COVID. By the way, have you changed your position and do you now accept that it could have come from a lab....or are you still all about the pseudo "SCIENCE bro"?

"I respect the integrity of most EU countries - their politicians are better then most.

I don't believe anything out of the Whitehouse."

Perfect, so your "belief" supersedes what is written down in a contract. Could you be a bigger clown if you tried?

"California are polling at 45% to cede from America. If they leave America, it will speed up the decline of America. Most of the brains are from the blue states- California in particular. Their membership is like socialism. The red states often cant afford to pay taxes, so California has to subsize them."

And...right on cue...the TDS takes over and you start to rant about something unrelated. Great job.

"Incidentally, Trump's poll ratings are lower than any US president since Nixon. Once the MAGA boots are on the ground - and they get to face Putin's upgraded AI drones, Trump's poll rating will continue to decline."

I thought this was about the Swiss and $100 million...suddenly we're on polling numbers. My guy, you're cooked, totally cooked. Have a look at the thought process you went through as you typed that post above. Straight from denying reality, written down in black and white, and into a rant about unrelated stuff.

"Meanwhile Trump now has his name and signature printed on money. More and more buildings are being named after him."

Seek help.

Cognitive dissonance is when a person experiences conflict between belief and reality, and resolves it by rationalising the facts so they align with the belief, rather than adjusting the belief to fit the fact!!!

Tell me the above isn't you, Visser.

Is this you...

SB

Your problem is over the apst decade yopu h ave been proved 100% wrong in everything you said will happen or ah ppened about Trump. Not one case was true ass roven by fact and has been otaly discredited in subsequent documnetary proof.

It is not what Trump say that count whent e h emdia quoted him out of context by th e fake emdia and you have that on site, One would call that idiocy supreme prejudiced BS.

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SB

Your problem is over the apst decade yopu h ave been proved 100% wrong in everything you said will happen or ah ppened about Trump. Not one case was true ass roven by fact and has been otaly discredited in subsequent documnetary proof.

It is not what Trump say that count whent e h emdia quoted him out of context by th e fake emdia and you have that on site, One would call that idiocy supreme prejudiced BS.

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And what exactly does Covid have anything to do with the topic?

"ButtPlug wrote a long post of gibberish about science and Covid- the very same person who tried to prove the existence of aliens using a car hubcap from the Book of Meton. (I usually just scan, or skip the long posts by DumbMike and Buttplug)."

Blatantly lying, while also ignoring the fact that you fully agreed with the "SCIENCE" and told us that COVD defos came from nature, while it has later been agreed that COVID was just as likely to come from a lab. And that's exactly what i tried to tell you at the time. I clearly broke down exactly why the official narrative was counte-scientific in how it treated COVID. By the way, have you changed your position and do you now accept that it could have come from a lab....or are you still all about the pseudo "SCIENCE bro"?

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Who agrees that COVID just as likely came from a lab? You are saying the science was wrong. Was it Metonian logic that disproved human science? ButtPlug's emotion is clouding his judgment.

WHO never ruled out a lab but has always maintained that it was most probably of natural origins - just like other diseases in the past. Yet, ButtPlug has disproven science with his emotion, he does need to prove anything.

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It is very simple. Switzerland placed an order with an agreed date. That was not delivered, so they should be refunded. If America have some vague BS in the terms and conditions of the contract -then it is best to not use America as a supplier