Okay, lets simplify...
Are you saying:
My belief supersedes what a singed contract might say?
Please see the lovely definition of cognitive dissonance i provided for you above and think about it while you answer.
Just for fun...Chat Produced this when i asked who the major shareholders for CNN and the biggest vaccine producers are.
Cool, huh?
It is very simple. Switzerland placed an order with an agreed date. That was not delivered, so they should be refunded. If America have some vague BS in the terms and conditions of the contract -then it is best to not use America as a supplier
The little Swiss men in suits placed an order with a contract that allows for flexibility in the event of unanticipated events. No different in concept from any contract that includes a Force Majeure clause.
The little self righteous darlings never understood what they had signed and their little bureaucratic lawyers never explained it to them. Then embarrassed they couldn’t have a hissyfit about the delays, they tried to imply the US cheated.
Regardless of the legal status of such a move, it's another indication that America is no longer a reliable ally and that Europe must over the medium to long term move away from reliance on American weapon systems and enablers. I'm sure other countries are considering the same.
I’m surprised that the Swiss would even raise this given the Ukraine war triggered the reallocation. But this might help you understand the principle Shark.
In government-to-government programs:
In systems like Foreign Military Sales (FMS):
….
Are you saying Ukraine should have been left without Patriots just so the Swiss could get over their embarrassment?
Bad Trump —-> Bad US —-> Good Iran Dictators.
We are in grade school here.
Cognitive dissonance is an interesting term to throw around when it describes your own position and the other pro Trump guys, better than anyone else on here.
Go ahead and name one tangible positive outcome from this war.
As i have pointed out on a different post, here is what we already have from this Illegal and unprovoked war:
- civilian deaths
- rising oil prices
- global economic impact
- long-term instability
- billions are spend on war instead of
actually Making America Great Again
- Analyst all agree that this War will not
remove the Iranian System
- US allies are losing trust in Washington.
Trump is already pointing fingers at Hegseth to cover himself. And his own poll numbers are going down the drain.
None of you are willing to debunk these negatives with actual positives...Because there is none.
Every single one of you guys, filters every fact through your belief in Trump first. If it supports Trump it is true.
If it challenges Trump it is fake news, woke nonsense or cognitive dissonance in someone else. It’s a closed circuit. Nothing gets in or out.
The blind belief is so locked in that none of that matters.
The bias runs so deep that reality does not exist anymore. Oh no, everything is fantastic, the plan is working, trust the process.
But reality shows us every single day that's not true. And the way things are going right now, it is only getting worse, not better.
I mean here you guys are rationalizing The SRF report and Urs Loher's confirmation on record, the actual evidence, to fit your perceived reality.
Honestly Moz, here you are confirming the US redirected the funds by hiding behind Force Majeure and FMS pooling structure.
You are not even denying it happened anymore, you are just justifying it. Which means Shark's original story was accurate all along.
And you and Plum called it fake news and woke nonsense. Come on man, seriously...lol
That is not strategic thinking. That’s blind faith pretending to be clever. And ironically that is the purest form of TDS I have seen on this forum.
It does to show how far Trumpazee America has fallen. Most of the world is supporting Iran over America.
If America commit further war crimes and destroys the main civil energy sites, we are dealing with another Putin, another wanabee hitler.
I see the orange pig is now saying he is going to make NATO join the war unless all countries increase spending to 5% of GDP. This piece of shit thinks he can decide what wars a country enters. Let the MAGA soldiers die to protect the Epstein files.
If Allied countries join the fight in Iran, it might bring China into the war and cause WWIII.
Meanwhile, Putin plays the useful idiot Trump, so much so that Trump has a portrait in the White House of them together. All while Iran is being fed intelligence by Russia and being supplied with upgraded AI drones.
Trumpanee Logic:
Past American presidents invading countries = Bad
Trump invades countries = Good
Trump causes WWW3 = Good
Within a few months of being back in power, Trump has stated his goal is to control the Western hemisphere. This includes threatening to invade Greenland while destroying Cuba's economy, stealing Venezuela's oil and forcing it to be traded in dollars.
Trump is the Woke warrior for cult followers. Yet, most conservative people in other countries hate Trump.
The levels of TDS on display are staggering.
We're dealing with something specific here.
Can you answer the question, VisKop
Does your belief supersede what is written down in a contract?
"The levels of TDS on display are staggering."
I'm comfortable with my TDS.
I think if you don't have TDS you're either brainwashed, stupid or else you're blissfully unaware of what's happening around you.
Trump denial syndrome more like.
I'm just imagining the very different response we would be getting from some posters if Biden had launched the attack on Iran under the same conditions Trump did.
While the Trumpanzees are stamping their feet and demanding answers to their questions, is any Trumpanzee prepared to answer the question that M asked and that I asked some weeks ago . . . what has Bozo achieved in his war?
Just to list the negatives again . . .
The old less-militant Iran leader (the guy who issued a fatwa against Iran producing nukes) has been replaced by his younger son who is all for nukes and whose only claim to fame is funding proxy terrorist groups.
The price of oil has doubled.
Civilians are being killed on a daily basis.
The war is costing the US $1bn a day.
We're heading for a global recession.
The US has alienated all its traditional allies.
So what successes can you Trumpanzees list to counter those facts? Let's hear them.
"I'm just imagine the very different response we would be getting from some posters if Biden had launched the attack on Iran under the same conditions Trump did."
Ou Maaik would probably be having a heart attack.
ButtPlug, you are trying to remove context. I replied to Mozarts commenting on "believe"
What I said is that I would believe other sources over Trump. "e.g. the printed verbatim words of Switzerland)
Mozart
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Mar 28, 2026, 15:59
So no it wasn’t the Trumpanzees giving Trump a pass, it was the Woke set rushing to believe nonsense again.
Schooled once again
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ButtPlug (Arse-creeping Mozart)
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Mar 28, 2026, 16:17
Shark is becoming mega fake news guy of late.
Post after post.
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sharkbok
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Mar 28, 2026, 17:27
I would believe Switzerland over Nazi MAGA America anyday. If American cant fulfil a guaranteed order, they should refund the money. Reallocating it for America's own military is stealing.
There is no response he can make. It’s a contract and one which is typical of all military contracts the US writes….payments are pooled and scheduling is subject to military priorities.
In this case the military priority was the Ukraine…, supposedly something the US was failing on….but here where the US prioritizes Ukraine according to contract they are accused of stealing. And not one Woke poster has the inherent honesty to admit this was the right thing to do.
TDS trumps Ukraine, you can’t go much lower.
The world got tricked into the Iraq War by George Bush. "The Weapons of Mass Destruction". It was total bullshit. We are not falling for that one again. Armies are for self-defence, not attack.
Iran is a bad country, but they must defend themselves. MAGA boots on the ground now. lets get the popcorn ready. Go Iran!!! I guarantee that much of the West will be rooting for Iran... What a bizarre world we live in.
But dont worry, America will make a War hero movie out of this. How they liberated Iran's oil to prevent it from going to China. They will excluded to start of the war which involved staying as far back as possible, and shooting long range weapons from allied bases.
The problem being that it becomes impossible to deal with any claim because it spirals into complete chaos with everyone's personal feelings on Trump, war, USA, politics and everything else happenening all in one go.
VisKop made a post about Switzerland and $100 million.
I tried to deal with that. And yet here we are discussing polling numbers, dead civilians...
What's the point?
So, is that the status quo now? Every post about anything gets dragged into utter chaos.
Am I the only one that thinks that is not worth the effort?
SB
You are a gem wh en iot conmes to conspiracy theories and lies,
Lets get top the opinion poll in California, It is getting nearer to a Banana Republic than any other state in the u SA? A;; actual proof is that majoe companies moved their hreadquearters from Californoa to Texas and Florida, California is not goin g to seceed - if they are becomng part o the Communist paradise near to haf of the population will flee to the USA 0 in the aops t 5 years thenumb er who fled are near to 2 million,
California is so badly Go vrned that th Republiocan candidates accdng to opinion ploes Repubican candidates have mire support than the corrupt Democrat tn the pcomin g election. If both major Reublican candidates have more votrs in the upcomin g primary election than the D emocrats - only Republicans will be candudates in the upcoming Governor election. It wont happen and if a country-wide election his held on whether California shoud be allowed to elcve the U SA 60% of the vorers sshould vote for that.
With the refuees will go most of the computer industriy, whie the rural area will aply for seceeding from California and its piss poor Government. The same happens to New York - the Democrats drove the rich and wealthy from New York - now they are pleading to them to come back since there financial rsource ad busget is promoin g socialist expenditure and money is running out,
Within a few months of being back in power, Trump has stated his goal is to control the Western hemisphere. This includes threatening to invade Greenland while destroying Cuba's economy, stealing Venezuela's oil and forcing it to be traded in dollars.
Where the ehll did you get tha garbg e from or is it your shotbrain has worked it out,
.
SB
You are a gem wh en iot conmes to conspiracy theories and lies,
Lets get top the opinion poll in California, It is getting nearer to a Banana Republic than any other state in the u SA? A;; actual proof is that majoe companies moved their hreadquearters from Californoa to Texas and Florida, California is not goin g to seceed - if they are becomng part o the Communist paradise near to haf of the population will flee to the USA 0 in the aops t 5 years thenumb er who fled are near to 2 million,
California is so badly Go vrned that th Republiocan candidates accdng to opinion ploes Repubican candidates have mire support than the corrupt Democrat tn the pcomin g election. If both major Reublican candidates have more votrs in the upcomin g primary election than the D emocrats - only Republicans will be candudates in the upcoming Governor election. It wont happen and if a country-wide election his held on whether California shoud be allowed to elcve the U SA 60% of the vorers sshould vote for that.
With the refuees will go most of the computer industriy, whie the rural area will aply for seceeding from California and its piss poor Government. The same happens to New York - the Democrats drove the rich and wealthy from New York - now they are pleading to them to come back since there financial rsource ad busget is promoin g socialist expenditure and money is running out,
Within a few months of being back in power, Trump has stated his goal is to control the Western hemisphere. This includes threatening to invade Greenland while destroying Cuba's economy, stealing Venezuela's oil and forcing it to be traded in dollars.
Where the ehll did you get tha garbg e from or is it your shotbrain has worked it out,
.
Am I the only one that thinks that is not worth the effort?
There is no moderation here. That's the problem...people aren't forced to stay on topic so they don't and it applies to pretty much everyone on here
Rooinek
The old less-militant Iran leader (the guy who issued a fatwa against Iran producing nukes) has been replaced by his younger son who is all for nukes and whose only claim to fame is funding proxy terrorist groups.
Soiurce please.
One would think that adults would have the mental fortitude to at least attempt to avoid turning every discussion into a madness soup.
I'm always up for discussing things but I'm not here to wade through fuckery soup.
Ou Maaik, try any reputable news agency . . . just not the right wing crap you read.
@DumbMike, Big Tech companies and their Oligarchic rulers are moving operations out of California to dodge tax.
In Texas, the richer someone is - the lower the rate of tax they pay. That is what is attracting the Oligarchs.
A person is still allowed to spend more than 50% of their time in California, even if they have their residence outside of California - and still dodge tax.
California should cut that back the number of days, and then they are stuck in MAGA land.
Where their are cities, their are brains - like Dallas (unlike much of Texas).
However, it cant compete with California which has significantly higher brain capacity.
One would think that adults would have the mental fortitude to at least attempt to avoid turning every discussion into a madness soup.
Have you never used the internet before?
Well Plum, I'm only asking because you keep insisting people answer your question when not a single Trumpanzee has answered the far more important and relevant question . . . what has Bozo actually achieved with this war?
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-Even the Pope is not a Trumpanzee.
"Iran is a bad country, but they must defend themselves. MAGA boots on the ground now. lets get the popcorn ready. Go Iran!!! I guarantee that much of the West will be rooting for Iran... What a bizarre world we live in."
Indeed, WTF are you thinking?...Iran isn't the good guys here...they aren't the passive victims here... they've been meddling and disrupting peace in the the region and elsewhere for half a century.
So given the silence and the usual Woke piling on, we have to accept this group believes the US was wrong in exercising its rights under contract and getting the Ukraine more Patriots.
So if that's what they believe, I guess we will hear no more about how the US has let down the Ukraine and Europe is supporting them.
"Well Plum, I'm only asking because you keep insisting people answer your question when not a single Trumpanzee has answered the far more important and relevant question . . . what has Bozo actually achieved with this war?"
"- civilian deaths
There were even more deaths under the regime under normal conditions.
- rising oil prices
In the short term
- global economic impact
again, short term
- long-term instability
Opinion, it can't really get more unstable in the region while Iran keeps on getting away with their nonsense.
- billions are spend on war instead of
actually Making America Great Again
Long term gains of an open and free oil market will dwarf the short term expense.
- Analyst all agree that this War will not
remove the Iranian System
They are probably all wrong, jumping at a chance to get at Trump, there are others who don't agree...only time will tell
- US allies are losing trust in Washington.
Not allies ATM, rather fair-weather friends.
So if that's what they believe, I guess we will hear no more about how the US has let down the Ukraine and Europe is supporting them.
By the strictest legal sense, the US acted within their rights and it looks like the Swiss didn't read the small print. It still damages trust though. Because we know the US and Israel are also expending Patriot missiles in the Iran conflict and they already have spoken about potentially shifting intended aid for Ukraine to the Middle East. How do we know for certain that this step wouldn't have been necessary if not for the Iran war, a war of choice that America triggered... perhaps there would of been enough patriot missiles for Ukraine without having to shift the money around or delay the Swiss purchase.
Ummm . . . if the Iranian military and navy were destroyed, who is keeping the Straits of Hormuz bottlenecked?
Serious question.
"Ummm . . . if the Iranian military and navy were destroyed, who is keeping the Straits of Hormuz bottlenecked?
The threat of terrorism...the same thing that let them get their way for the last 46 years...
I said all but destroyed... there's some work left.
There were even more deaths under the regime under normal conditions.
True but we don't know if this conflict with escalate or lead into something worse.
In the short term
That's a hope... not even an educated guess.
again, short term
Ditto. You have absolute nothing to base that claim on.
Opinion, it can't really get more unstable in the region while Iran keeps on getting away with their nonsense.
A crap opinion. Trump literally just made the region far more unstable. Open your eyes.
Long term gains of an open and free oil market will dwarf the short term expense.
Again...you have zero to base such a assessment on.
They are probably all wrong, jumping at a chance to get at Trump, there are others who don't agree...only time will tell
This is cult member talk.
Not allies ATM, rather fair-weather friends.
The people reasonable for this cluster fuck need to man up and take responsibility for their own mess and fix it... but we all know they simply aren't capable of it... so all we are going get is them passing the blame.
"By the strictest legal sense, the US acted within their rights and it looks like the Swiss didn't read the small print. It still damages trust though.
Welcome to the real world.
Because we know the US and Israel are also expending Patriot missiles in the Iran conflict and they already have spoken about potentially shifting intended aid for Ukraine to the Middle East. How do we know for certain that this step wouldn't have been necessary if not for the Iran war, a war of choice that America triggered... perhaps there would of been enough patriot missiles for Ukraine without having to shift the money around or delay the Swiss purchase.
Exactly the kind of eventuality for which the clause was there in the first place...
"I said all but destroyed... there's some work left."
But didn't Bozo say that he'd "obliterated" the navy, the army and the anti-aircraft?
You do know what the word "obliterated" means, Draad?
You don't think maybe there's even a chance he was lying again, do you?
Welcome to the real world.
LOL the lack of self awareness... it's truly astounding.
Exactly the kind of eventuality for which the clause was there in the first place...
Yeah so why would someone want to do business with them in future.
