Since diumness there are no aternatov providers other than pehaps Russia and China - bt democratic countries has no option other than the USA offers. Now let me explain further the USA stock needsd come first and that was not the situation under the corrupt Autopen Biden presidency was and when he left the army was in short supply so importing from the USA are affected internally by the USA is delayied. . .
So there is your list of positives after all this time. So DB what is missing from every single point?
What about the thousands of civilians killed. And the children. Any mention of the hospitals, the schools, the destroyed infrastructure...Huh?!
And this self serving egomaniac "The Oros Man" sends other people's children to die for his own ambitions.
And even on the strategic points the facts do not hold up. Iranian military all but destroyed yet they are still standing firm and not budging on a single demand.
Leadership thinned out yet replaced by a younger more radical figure who is more pro nuclear than the one before.
But the last point is the cherry on the cake...Giving hope to millions of Iranians by bombing them. What utter nonsense, DB. That is not liberation.
Call it what it is, it’s just destruction. So after everything, that is the best case you can make for this war. A military checklist with zero human beings on it...WTF?
"Yeah so why would someone want to do business with them in future."
Yes, they can go buy some nice fighter jets from England or France... hopefully they read the contract next time around.
"In the short term
That's a hope... not even an educated guess.
again, short term
Ditto. You have absolute nothing to base that claim on."
Yes, that's why said only time will tell....and judging by the past half century, trusting Iran on anything is even more risky...every time they don't get their way, they threaten the whole world's oil supply...like they are doing now...they are the self declared enemies of everyone not the same sect as their radical Islamic regime...do you want to wait until they are strong and capable enough to make good on their threats?
M, you're just repeating yourself while ignoring everything I said...saying something twice, doesn't give it more weight...and you've been repeating it more than just twice...I don't see it that way, I'm not going to repeat myself ...
Putin plays Trump like a fiddle, ditto Netanyahu, & now Iran joins the Fiddlers club
That list you gave is not positives, those are military objectives in an illegal unprovoked war.
Iran did not attack America or Isreal. There was no proof they were going to. So everything on that list is built on a foundation that does not exist.
And not one word about civilians dying.That says everything about where your priorities actually are.
We need to make special section called "Virtue Signalling Corner."
Bloody nauseating
Yes, they can go buy some nice fighter jets from England or France... hopefully they read the contract next time around.
You do realise that's exactly what they will do.
Caring about civilians dying is virtue signalling to you. That single sentence tells everyone exactly who you are.
"You do realise that's exactly what they will do."
Well, good luck to them then... there's a premium on quality...
"Caring about civilians dying is virtue signalling to you. That single sentence tells everyone exactly who you are."
Only those who get hurt by Trump's actions are worth caring about...
"Caring about civilians dying is virtue signalling to you. That single sentence tells everyone exactly who you are."
Double down, why don't ya.
DB, stop being a coward and putting words In my mouth.
I have repeatedly condemned civilian deaths on all sides including those killed by Hamas and those who died protesting in Iran.
How about opening your eyes and reading properly...
And Plum, double down? Maybe instead of worrying about what I say, start looking in the mirror and checking your own moral compass.
Because from where I am standing it needs serious adjustment.
Well, good luck to them then... there's a premium on quality...
There a premium on getting things on time too.
And Plum, double down? Maybe instead of worrying about what I say, start looking in the mirror and checking your own moral compass.
Accusation of virtue signalling are the refrain of someone who doesn't have an argument to stand over... like people who call anything they don't like woke... like it somehow makes reality irrelevant.
"And Plum, double down? Maybe instead of worrying about what I say, start looking in the mirror and checking your own moral compass.
Because from where I am standing it needs serious adjustment."
Go on, tell me what I should be adjusting...
And then I'll have my turn.
Plum, if you genuinely need me to tell you what needs adjusting then that answers the question better than anything I could ever say...
Ah, so you prefer ambiguity.
It's probably for the best
Go ahead. Nobody is stopping you.
Stopping me from?
What should be adjusted is the Woke set should agree that the US did the right thing by prioritizing the missiles for Ukraine, stole nothing and acted within contract parameters that were created exactly for responding to eventualities like the Ukraine. Switzerland should be endorsing this rather than implying they have been cheated and if anything the Woke set should be critical of the Swiss attitude. But rather than doing that the whole group keep trying to make this thread all about Trump….and pretending they are on the high ground.
Trump has threatened to destroy all of Iran's energy network - not just military..
Yet, the Trumpanzee species think this is some mission of peace, an emissary mission - the work of God.
This will only unite Iran against America, and the rest of the Arab world.
" the US did the right thing by prioritizing the missiles for Ukraine"
- Nonsense, much like any of Trump's lies that his followers parrot at will.
Switzerland probably purchased them for Ukraine.
All resources are being diverted to the war in Iran, not to Ukraine. America recently announced this, so it is not even debatable
Diversion….change your heading
You fall back on the American Trumpanzee approach. Anyone who disagrees with you is left wing Woke or fake news. Most conservative people in Europe hate Trump, so you can keep your culture wars in America.
Other Democracies can at least settle on what is fact are what is ideology or open to interpretation.
MAGA is not conservatism. It is the poor and uneducated getting duped by a conman and the Oligarchs.
Get those MAGA boots on the ground. The world will be watching and hoping to see them fail.
The subject is your claim that the US stole from Switzerland….they actually changed priorities to support Ukraine, according to the contract….change your heading. It’s the honest thing to do….this doesn’t involve Trump.
Or leave it up there as a lie.
so you can keep your culture wars in America.
F**king precisely. We want nothing to do with that nonsense.
Nope of course not, why would a nation like Ireland which was controlled by terrorists for 50 years and then became a tax haven want culture wars. Or a nation like England bother about incarceration of innocents when they were responsible for up to 25000 innocent Boer deaths in concentration camps, mostly children.Or a nation like Spain that was run by a dictator for 36 years have a problem with dictators in Iran. Or Switzerland not think they are being robbed, when their banks are loaded with stolen funds including those of the ANC elite. Or a nation like Belgium have any problems with prisoners being abused when they experimented on people in the Congo. Or Denmark worry about women in Iran when they were experimenting on Greenland women as recently as 2018 with peak activity in the 1990s. Or Germany have any concerns for the Israelis that were killed in 2024, when Germany and their collaborators have 6 million Jewish notches on their belt?
Yep with a record like that Europe has every right to be concerned about the ‘horror’ of American culture wars..
And still not one woke person has the common decency to ask Shark to change his dishonest heading. I guess they have believed so many lies already that one more doesn’t matter much to them.
...and Snark is actually cheering Iran on... he hates America, not only Trump...even quoting the Pope these days ... bizarre...
They all are….every one wants the US to fail in Iran. Solidly lined up behind the Ayatollahs. Next time Europe begs for help they may find these episodes a bit inconvenient. Every bit of anti American rhetoric by European leaders is on the record.
The one that seems to rankle most is the politically motivated dispatch of European troops to protect Greenland against American aggression. If the half a million American soldiers who died protecting Europe against Europe in two world wars count for nothing anymore, that certainly proved it.
Indeed...they know very well the USA won't invade Greenland, they used it as an excuse to invade it themselves.
Woke se gat, every day & I woke up to Trump's sheer madness & its become crystal clear that Trump is way out of his depth ... couple that with a comic book Minister of War & a sycophantic inept cabinet.
He's an evil batshit bastard.
See my the definition of cognitive dissonance.
VisKop made a claim. It's obviously fake news. He gets called on it, and then, in an attempt make reality fit his feelings, we are suddenly talking about polling numbers, Nazis, MAGA, you name it...
He has basically admitted that what he "believes" supersedes a signed contract. Let that sink it.
...then ask yourself if there is any room for reason or logical discourse.
Mpower
Since the targets in the attacks on Iran an estiamted 3 000 ere actually killed a huge percentage f th ose are part of th e ilegitmate Ayatollah regime, After the protests in Iran in December 2025 an estimated 30 000 peopele were murdered by the Regime in Iran - So t he act si you are talking sh iot a gain based on what the Iran disnformation service provide on the internet,
When Hamas attacked Israel in 2023 - no problem for people on site - the Hamas attack was fully jsutified. The result was death of more than 70 000 people in Gaza and Israel, The arms of mas and their funding came from Iran and the murder of people are fine with you/
Amazing BS.
Nope of course not, why would a nation like Ireland which was controlled by terrorists for 50 years and then became a tax haven want culture wars. Or a nation like England bother about incarceration of innocents when they were responsible for up to 25000 innocent Boer deaths in concentration camps, mostly children.Or a nation like Spain that was run by a dictator for 36 years have a problem with dictators in Iran. Or Switzerland not think they are being robbed, when their banks are loaded with stolen funds including those of the ANC elite. Or a nation like Belgium have any problems with prisoners being abused when they experimented on people in the Congo. Or Denmark worry about women in Iran when they were experimenting on Greenland women as recently as 2018 with peak activity in the 1990s. Or Germany have any concerns for the Israelis that were killed in 2024, when Germany and their collaborators have 6 million Jewish notches on their belt?
Yep with a record like that Europe has every right to be concerned about the ‘horror’ of American culture
LOL...run by terrorists for 50 years. News to me.
I clealy hit a nerve if you felt compelled to type such crap.
What about the thousands of civilians killed. And the children. Any mention of the hospitals, the schools, the destroyed infrastructure...Huh?!
I have repeatedly condemned civilian deaths on all sides including those killed by Hamas and those who died protesting in Iran.
And Plum, double down? Maybe instead of worrying about what I say, start looking in the mirror and checking your own moral compass
So these comments have all been made by the same guy who says that he doesn't give a damn about the financial aid that Africa, or South Africa receives, and that to him this financial aid is meaningless....because he believes that this financial aid does not affect him directly, so why should he care.......or give a damn
However.... M wants to constantly preach to everyone on here about empathy and thousands of civilian deaths in these other countries...
Yeah.....ok .... look in your own mirror M.... and check your own moral compass
The first person to deviate from the topic on this thread was ButtPlug, when he brought Covid conspiracies into this. Then he complains about going off topic,,LOL
NATO are being responsible by not getting involved in the Trump Epstein distraction war.
No one expected America to elect Hitler democratically.
If NATO got involved, it could escalate into a global war, and then potentially WWIII.
All of Trump's actions are an attempt to target China. America can see that China's rate of progress is so fast that it could become the world's leading economy in 10 years.
Meanwhile, America is getting torn apart by their cultural war. The United States of America has become the Divided States of America. If the Democrats do not win in 2028, California will likely secede from America to become its own country. They are funding many of the red states who cant afford to pay taxes.
A communist China has a fairer economy than America. America is no longer a properly functioning Democracy. Trump declared war on Iran without the consent of Congress. He has consolidated power under his own branch, like other authoritarian leaders before him.
